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openPage creation Web Original
Hey, I’m thinking of making a media page for either Thorgi’s arcade, or the fakemon creator tubz_az on instagram. How would I make a page in general?
openTomska and the Somerton Scale Web Original
This probably isn't the right place for this, but here goes. Tomska recently made a video where he presents the "Somerton Scale", a scale to measure the level of plagiarism in a work. I can't help nut think that it would fit in the helpful resources catagory, with his permission and credit obviously. What do you think? Should it be given a page?
openThe "Web Videos" subpages Web Original
I recently note that the subpage FanWorks.Web Videos has been moved to FanWorks.Web Video.
I'd like to know if this is part of any kind of recognized clean-up effort, because otherwise it's not very useful.
A standard should be decided for this type of subpage, and I'd say it would lean strongly toward "Web Videos" because there is much more examples already (43), while "Web Video" only has 23 (among which some are Sandbox/ or Main/, not counting), making the change faster.
openYoga with adriene page Web Original
I just noticed that the Yoga With Adriene series page got cut for apparently being a stub.
Would it be okay to recreate the page in the future if more examples were added to the page to make it into a full page?
openDisagreement about the Awesome/BobChipman page, don't want to risk an Edit War Web Original
Not too long ago, a troper called 309216364 (is that the ID of an already-banned troper or something?) deleted the single biggest entry on this page, about Bob's massive "Really That Bad" video series on Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice, which I will post here:
- During Part 1 of his Really That Bad analysis of Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice, Bob makes a comparison between the narrative structures of The Avengers (2012) and Batman V. Superman stripped of all but their most basic elements that underlines one of the main reasons the former succeeded where the latter failed: Avengers is straightforward, easy to understand and can be enjoyed without prior knowledge of the source comics or the preceding films because it doesn't lean on them to work as a narrative with its single Sequel Hook a post-credits shot of the Greater-Scope Villain, while BvS is a disjointed, convoluted mess that doesn't follow an understandable through-line narrative, paradoxically wants to differentiate itself from the source comics yet relies heavily on them for most of its emotional weight to carry and desperately tries to set up future films through gratuitous in-universe viewings of preview trailers. And he does all of this while giving every person or object with enough plot relevance a funny nickname, with plenty of Actor Allusions and character comparisons to go around.
- The entirety of his "Batman V. Superman" Really That Bad analysis. Chipman delivers his critique in a mature respectful tone, without insulting the filmmakers personally, and goes into detail acknowledging and addressing common arguments in defense of the film.
- Two of the best things he does is to effectively and succinctly fix the movie's greatest problems.
- The first being the 'Diana/Wonder Woman watching the teaser trailer for the Justice League scene', wherein Bob proposes letting Batman, the normal human who is discovering a lot of this new information for the first time, and whose perspective the audience has been following the entire movie, be the one to discover the existence of more metahumans. This not only gives the scene greater suspense and dramatic weight and a greater impetus for Batman to fight a perceived threat like Superman, it also gives a fantastic reason why Diana never showed up for a hundred years and was breaking into Lex Luthor's drives: She was helping cover up the existence of metahumans (and her secretive race) from people like Luthor.
- The second is the entire 'conflict' of the movie being forced and contrived and way too repetitive by the time the two people in the 'V' actually get down to versus-ing each other. Bob fixes the movie without any drastic overhaul or extensive retooling with two simple words: No Batman. The plot remains the same, with all the conspiratorial machinations and the populace distrusting Superman kept intact, but transfer all of Batman's actions and motivations to Luthor, thereby making Luthor a sympathetic, justified, heroic counterpoint to the detached, reluctant, destructive Superman, which would have greater thematic resonance and streamline the plot. For an added bonus, Bob suggests keeping Ben Affleck, with all his likability and charisma and on-the-ground heroism, as Luthor, which would provide even greater metanarrative implications and make the plot more compelling.
- To make what can only be described as a near definitive 3-part, four hour critique about Dawn of Justice, all the while maintaining his normal work responsibilities, is a feat of dedication that can only really be described as impressive.
As well as forgetting to delete the next paragraph that followed on from that (an observation about Bob possibly doing a "Really That Good" series on The Lord of the Rings) and leaving it orphaned, his reason for deleting the entire segment basically came down to "I don't think it's awesome and I don't like Bob". His cited reason from the History page:
Apart from the fact that this reason for removing the entry is entirely subjective (I thought "Really That Bad" was awesome, and I'm not even the one who wrote the original entry), it's also blatantly incorrect- there are several segments in Bob's series where he goes out of his way to be fair to the film and admit the things it did well and the ways it could have worked (even though it didn't), so the troper's claim that "he is entirely biased against the film in all aspects" suggests he edited it solely because of He Panned It Now He Sucks.
I could have just restored the edit myself, but I'm quite certain the guy will just delete it again, triggering an edit war situation. And since the last time I got close to an edit war I nearly got myself permanently banned, I'm not even going to get close to the possibility of it happening again. So I'm hoping there's some way to get a 3rd party judgement on this?
Edited by ArcaneAzmadiopenPossible vandalism? Web Original
It looks like a troper named Mahzui had completely blanked the trope list for the page Revenge Films except for a few select tropes, all of which have had their descriptions removed. It's such a weird thing, I'm not sure what's to do about it.
openPre-Commented ZCEs Web Original
I'm unsure exactly what the rule on this is but the troper Whaterva has been adding pre-commented ZCEs to Characters.ONE
I'm unsure if this is allowed or not so I decided to post it here anyways
openRecreating Linda's Tale Web Original
I'm sorry I didn't know what ZCE meant at first. But now I do, it would be nice to bring back Linda's Tale as it is a web animation series created by Joe The Venezuelan from Patreon. I won't use ZCE examples again I promise and I will do more research before I act.
openStandards of work Web Original
So I’m new here and working on a trope page 4 Redacted Smp. Anybody got an idea what kind of guidelines i should hold 2?
What standards do we have that should be met 2 ensure it isn’t deleted and is up 2 snuff?
Finally, does anyone have guidelines 4 workshopping character pages?
openReddit Stories and Text Stories Web Original
I think there are enough of both on YouTube that they could probably be listed as viable Web Video subgenres.
For Reddit Stories: We currently have a page for R Slash. Others include Lost Genre Stories, Revenge Times, and NextDoor Neighbor.
For Text Stories: We currently have pages for Apple Texts, Text Theater, and Viral Texts - and others include Peep Texts, Pear Texts, Mac Texts, iOS texts, Orange Text, Right or Wrong, and Ash Texts. While the ones listed are of relatively decent quality, for the most part - there are some others of more questionably quality (e.g. unintelligible translation errors, robotic voice actors, text/vocal mismatches).
Edited by MusicLuver69openWorks page made for a single video questions Web Original
I noticed someone made a trope page for AI Pajama Sam, which is based off of a youtuber (DougDoug) playing Pajama Sam in No Need to Hide When It's Dark Outside using an AI voice program. I'm unsure why it exists or if it needs to, but I wanted to mention it since it feels odd it was made.
The video it was made for was a decently length one, but it is so far the only one Doug has made, and stuff it mentions can be done on his own Web Video page. Is this something that really should be done? The page itself is somewhat barebones and even has a character page now, but it feels unnecessary to make a page for a single video like that. I think it should be deleted for now, but wanted to get feedback on this.
Edited by keyblade333openSO MANY RED LINKS Web Original
Is it safe to make new recap entries for the Dream SMP? By my understanding, the old ones were copy-pasted from the Dream Team wiki, so I'll attempt to avoid that.
Edited by CoraCreatesopenList of works reviewed Web Original
Recap.Joueur Du Grenier was recently cut due to being a list of works reviewed rather than a proper episode list. This was, however, at the cost of a lot of work over the years by people who contributed to the page, as well as a lot of wicks that encouraged wiki exploration. Is there a type of subpage that would be appropriate to put a list of works that a critic has reviewed?
openMisplaced IKnewIt Entry? Web Original
In Trivia.Cell Spex, I Knew It! is now YMMV, but it's about CellSpex herself accurately predicting a meme. Should it still be moved to the YMMV page?
openRequesting the edit revert Web Original
I actually didn't realized until now that the editing i did for the Characters section for QSMP has been rushed on my end and i would like to request an edit revert.
I also checked Twitter/X, and apparently Dapper wasn't able to make it on the rescue boat in time Source
Edited by WellThisIsAwkwardopenWhere do I discuss this? Web Original
On Nov. 3rd at 4 PM, I added the following Wingding Eyes entry on The Amazing Digital Circus (albeit an earlier version with some Word Cruft I didn't notice, but was removed later) to Pomni's folder in the Characters page, since both examples pertained only to her and there was already a similar Eye Trope (Wide Eyes and Shrunken Irises) specified to her on the folder.
- Wingding Eyes:
- Pomni's eyes occasionally become scribbles when she's extremely distressed.
- Pomni's eyes become spinning spirals when she vomits from disorientation.
A couple hours later, Twiddler, in one of their numerous cleanups up to now, removed my addition on the grounds that the trope is "already listed on the main page," and "whether it's listed there or here, it should only be listed on one." I've never heard this rule before, not even from the other mods I've seen doing edits on pages. I thought it was fine to keep certain examples specific to a character on both work and character pages (particularly if they were multiple examples of one entry, including if they all pertained to the same character or mentioned multiple ones) because I've seen many tropers around here do that for a long time since I've first joined the site.
I'd like to discuss this issue somewhere, but I don't know exactly where because it's the first time I'd be talking about rules I've never seen or heard anywhere with a mod (most previous rule-related cases were merely questions of doubt before doing any edits on pages, particularly to avoid Edit Wars). Is it okay if I talk about it on this query? Should I talk with Twiddler via PM? Or should I bring it to a forum thread?
In general, my opinion is that I'd like to remove the Wingding Eyes entry from the main page and keep it in Pomni's folder, but I might change my mind once I start discussing.
EDIT: The entry has been recently changed to this, and I think it looks better this way (even though I've never considered doing that):
- Wingding Eyes: Pomni's eyes occasionally become scribbles when she's extremely distressed, or spinning spirals when she vomits from disorientation.
Just a note for later when I begin the discussion.
Edited by Inky100openShould Coffeezilla have a media page? Web Original
I was watching a Coffeezilla video and thinking "I should add this to his page on TV Tropes", but it turns out he doesn't have one. Does he not have one for a reason, or simply because no-one bothered to make one yet?
I was wondering if Jeff is copyrighted since Creepypasta Files Wikia says that Jeff belongs to Sessuer, yet a lot of people say that, besides the image of unknown origin, he has no confirmed author. I'm asking because I was thinking on including him on the Public Domain Character page.
I was also wondering if there are other creepypastas with no defined author or purposely put in the PD like the fears from The Fear Mythos and The Rake.
Edited by UzarNaimBer15