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Aflac Let's Go Wyald! Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: On the prowl
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#61326: Oct 28th 2016 at 9:55:30 AM

Caeda is mainly defined by her Wing Spear. Moreso in Shadow Dragon where roughly 80% of the enemy forces are either Cavaliers/Paladins/Horsemen or Knights/Generals. Although New Mystery has more diverse enemy types, Caeda still has that certain niche in specifically dealing with cavalry and armor units. There's a reason she's one of the "High Tier" units alongside Catria/Palla/Sirius. I usually give Caeda a few levels during the Prologue chapters so that when she rejoins in Chapter 4 she can be roughly on par with Catria and Palla.

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RAlexa21th Brenner's Wolves Fight Again from California Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
Brenner's Wolves Fight Again
#61327: Oct 28th 2016 at 5:11:32 PM

Today on Alexa's journey in New Mystery

Chapters 11-15

Whoever came up with the idea of combining wyverns with same turn reinforcement is the real villain of the game.

Promoted Merric and Malicia. Dumped two magic dusts to boost Malicia's mediocre magic.

Promoted Rody, Sirius' time is up.

Now that I'm done with the dragon chapters I benched Minerva and decided to give Caeda a chance. Promoted Caeda into draco knight and gave her an energy drop and the Starsphere. This worked out for Chapter 15 where she scored important kills (works surprisingly well with Teena).

Palla caps speed, skill, and strength and officially became a goddess of death, at least for now she can still doubling thiefs. Poor Catria is still waiting for her Elysian Whip. MU's trailing a bit behind on offense but her mage killing capabilities are off the roof.

I predict Caeda and Navarre will have to compete for a team slot once Catria steps out from the bench.

edited 28th Oct '16 5:29:19 PM by RAlexa21th

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KuroiTsubasaTenshi Streamer from Twitch Since: May, 2011
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#61328: Oct 28th 2016 at 7:03:02 PM

Lunatic+ again.

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Geist-Fox loafing about from north Since: Jun, 2015 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
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#61329: Oct 28th 2016 at 7:39:28 PM

What chapter are you on? Because that's a lot of ground to make up, and an especially long time to go without a turn refresher. FYI, even as a Great Knight, Azura will only have 45% HP and 35% Def growths. Prior to that, Cavalier will only get her 30%/30%. Even if waited to 20 and then pushed to promote 15, the projected gains are 2.7 + 6.3 = 9 HP and 2.7 + 4.9 = 7.6 Def. Leveling in Songstress for 24 levels would get her 4.8 in each. So, by spending a ton of resources, you lose your refresher and get a subpar combat unit who no longer has her own private EXP pool to draw from for an additional 4.2 HP and 2.8 Def. That's... really not going to make her survive any better—especially not on Lunatic.

Also consider that due to the extreme harshness of EXP-gain decay, she won't be hitting 35 until very late in the campaign.

Hmmm... Maybe not then?

Though I thought that every level up where a stat didn't increase, the odds of it increasing are higher the next? Or was that a past game thing only?

Geist-Fox loafing about from north Since: Jun, 2015 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
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#61331: Oct 28th 2016 at 8:44:36 PM

Oh, nope, wait, Dynamic Growth Rates are a thing.

... In Shadow Dragon (DS).

Though digging deeper into Serene's Forest and no mention of them existing in Fates.

Well anyhow, with super luck, I might get an Azura not made of wt toilet paper? But that's too luck based, so...

Ehhh, I don't ship Azura/Silas ("Azulas?") anyway.

Azura just has irredeemably bad HP and Defence no matter what. Just having her around feels like a liability, but the extra actions she provides, plus the fact that she provides a handy buff with Sing too...

theLibrarian Since: Jul, 2009
#61332: Oct 28th 2016 at 8:54:18 PM

So, got through a few more missions in Birthright, and Flora killed herself because of...something?

Either way, I think I've come across why I don't like this game as much as Awakening. I just...I can't connect to the characters in my army the way I did about the others. No one really sticks out for me except my immediate family (families?) and Azura. Everyone else is just "Samurai". Subaki is "dandy samurai", Scarlet is "wyvern rider", Silas is "random knight that says we were childhood friends", the two mages aren't very interesting either (and admittedly nowhere near as lovable as Ricken), the Emotionless Girl angle they're going for with Setsuna only makes me chuckle once in a while, and I find it hard to even connect to Kana and Shigure, my children.

At this point I'm really just playing to see how the story turns out rather than to continue moving with the characters. Maybe Conquest and Revelations are better?

On the upside, I can honestly say that none of the Hoshido characters have made me hate them as much as I hated Vaike.

edited 28th Oct '16 8:56:31 PM by theLibrarian

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#61333: Oct 28th 2016 at 9:05:55 PM

How could you hate the Vaike?!

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Karxrida The Unknown from Eureka, the Forbidden Land Since: May, 2012 Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
The Unknown
#61334: Oct 28th 2016 at 9:06:41 PM

Maybe Conquest and Revelations are better?
Conquest has the worst story while Revelation also has issues. Birthright's probably the most competent narratively, but it's also the most boring.

I'd still play them all, though. The Nohrian characters are way better than the Hoshidan ones overall and I think the story of the Heirs of Fate DLC has a pretty good payoff you only get from doing all of the routes.

If a tree falls in the forest and nobody remembers it, who else will you have ice cream with?
theLibrarian Since: Jul, 2009
#61335: Oct 28th 2016 at 9:09:09 PM

Hm, alright then.

I mean, it's gotten so bad that I can barely remember anyone's names sometimes except for my family members.

I think the reason that I liked Awakening so much more is that every character actually got a good introduction. With Fates it seems like most of the army (who seem to be there just to fill out your roster with every type of soldier rather than being there for the purposes of the story) are just picked up randomly. A lot of them just randomly waltz into the level you find them in, even!

edited 28th Oct '16 9:10:54 PM by theLibrarian

dragonfire5000 from Where gods fear to tread Since: Jan, 2001
#61336: Oct 28th 2016 at 9:11:40 PM

Honestly, I pretty much like all the playable characters in Fire Emblem Fates equally, hence why it's one of my favorite games in the franchise.

Fire Emblem: Awakening and Fire Emblem Fates did a better job getting me to connect to the characters than the other games did. Not that the other games were bad, just that those two did a particularly fantastic job at making me care about the characters.

Karxrida The Unknown from Eureka, the Forbidden Land Since: May, 2012 Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
The Unknown
#61337: Oct 28th 2016 at 9:13:57 PM

I never clicked with Awakening's cast like at all while I love the cast of Fates. It helps that I fell in love with the Nohrian royal family when I first met them and was forced to betray them instantly because I bought Birthright. God I felt horrible.

Then when I did Conquest I felt like a huge dick because the Hoshidans grew on me and I betrayed them, too. Then I did Rev and felt great because everyone got to be happy.

edited 28th Oct '16 9:14:48 PM by Karxrida

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#61338: Oct 28th 2016 at 9:16:08 PM

I'm the opposite, I really loved most of Awakening's cast (Except Nah and Tharja) but most of Fates' cast just doesn't click with me, especially the royal sibs. They're just boring to me.

edited 28th Oct '16 9:16:39 PM by Anomalocaris20

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RAlexa21th Brenner's Wolves Fight Again from California Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
Brenner's Wolves Fight Again
#61339: Oct 28th 2016 at 9:16:11 PM

[up]x8 Fixed growth mode should definitely return.

edited 28th Oct '16 9:18:04 PM by RAlexa21th

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theLibrarian Since: Jul, 2009
#61340: Oct 28th 2016 at 9:17:14 PM

Well yeah, I love the families that serve as the main characters rather than your grunts. It's everyone else that I can't really connect to.

Maybe Awakening was different because nearly everyone was technically family.

Ekimmak Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#61341: Oct 28th 2016 at 9:18:24 PM

The retainers did have the issue of having only half an introduction, since it's shared between them.

I think the lack of interesting characters on Hoshido side is partially made up for by having interesting character stats. Orochi has atrocious speed, but fantastic attacking power, meaning that whatever she hits is unlikely to walk away from it. Rinkah subverts the expectation of axe users by being a pretty decent tank (not to mention softening people up for mages to hammer with Seal Resistance). And then there's Saizo and Kagero, who provide two alternatives to the ninja line: either a ninja tank, or a ninja glass cannon, to go against Kaze's ninja anti-mage.

If everyone were normal, the world would be a dull place. Like reality television.
EpicBleye drunk bunny from her bed being very eepy Since: Sep, 2014 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
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#61342: Oct 28th 2016 at 9:27:20 PM

@librarian: I think it's important to note that Conquest's characters are much better than Birthright's too.

Birthright's characters in general are hard to become attached to, largely because they're all treated as perfect characters. Like, Awakening and Conquest supports are mostly about the characters' flaws and them growing, while Birthright's are almost exclusively "funny shenanigans!!" also more reasons why Hoshido shouldn't have been treated as the good side

I'm sure you'll find that you like Conquest's characters more, but you're not the only person who misses Awakening (which also had a far superior UI).

"There's not a girl alive who wouldn't be happy being called cute." ~Tamamo-no-Mae
Sterok Since: Apr, 2012
#61343: Oct 28th 2016 at 9:27:32 PM

The Hoshidan characters tend to be on the dull side. Hana, Subaki, and Hinata have basically nothing to them. Hayato is meh at best. Ryoma is rather unexciting compared to Xander. Hinkopter and Tacomeat are neat though, and Setsuna and Azama are funny.

The kids in general I find have terrible introductions. Mostly due to the horrendous way they were written in. But I think their supports are solid in general, probably better than the supports the Hoshidans have among themselves.

theLibrarian Since: Jul, 2009
#61344: Oct 28th 2016 at 9:30:58 PM

Seriously. The kids are literally just "you were born, then plunked in an alternate dimension where you magically aged to the point where we could basically avert Child Soldier. That's a really half-assed reason, not at all like Lucina and the Awakening kids.

EpicBleye drunk bunny from her bed being very eepy Since: Sep, 2014 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
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#61345: Oct 28th 2016 at 9:33:13 PM

yeh its pretty dumb

they could have easily been like "the influence that daddy dragon is having on this war is causing holes to rip open in space time and causing dimensions to connect" and those holes is where the kids pop out of

like it would require a lot of dialogue to be written

but better than what we got

"There's not a girl alive who wouldn't be happy being called cute." ~Tamamo-no-Mae
HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#61346: Oct 28th 2016 at 9:33:20 PM

Say, is it true that Nowi's personality was heavily edited in the English version? I could swear I read that in Japan she's as young mentally as she is physically. In the English version she's obviously still youthful, but more "early twenties Manic Pixie Dream Girl" than "small child."

theLibrarian Since: Jul, 2009
#61347: Oct 28th 2016 at 9:35:43 PM

Considering she's several millennia old that would be...creepy. Like some sort of immortal developmental disorder.

EpicBleye drunk bunny from her bed being very eepy Since: Sep, 2014 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
drunk bunny
#61348: Oct 28th 2016 at 9:36:44 PM

no? I'm fairly sure her personality is the same in both

like even in the english version she's still childish as per course with lolis

but I'm fairly sure in both versions they still establish that she's just being childish and carefree but she's still wise and mature

"There's not a girl alive who wouldn't be happy being called cute." ~Tamamo-no-Mae
Karxrida The Unknown from Eureka, the Forbidden Land Since: May, 2012 Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
The Unknown
#61349: Oct 28th 2016 at 9:42:10 PM

@Hoshidans

Takumi is definitely great while Azama is hilarious. Setsuna's actually horrible from a character prespective (she's basically a one-joke gimmick character) but she gets a number of funny supports like her chain with Saizo.

If a tree falls in the forest and nobody remembers it, who else will you have ice cream with?
theLibrarian Since: Jul, 2009
#61350: Oct 28th 2016 at 9:46:43 PM

I enjoyed her deadpan-singing "Victory, victory~" after killing a Faceless in that Forest place.


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