All See Ds are excell at combat. They're elite special forces, it's a basic job requirement.
And point me to where Squall shows any ambition. He shows some later on but again it revolves around his loyalty to others.
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edited 3rd Aug '12 11:54:39 PM by Eagal
You fell victim to one of the classic blunders!
Here's something.
Would any Tolkien villain NOT be in Slytherin? I was thinking maybe Saruman but in the end I think his Ambition and Charisma outweighs his Knowledge and desire for knowledge.
Maybe Feanor?
Would that it were so simple.
Feanor was a Ravenclaw, for sure. He was like the brainiest guy ever to have lived in Valinor. The Palantirs, the Silmarilli, all of those were his creations. He was also a Ravenclaw who was a tremendous asshole (even if 90% of his scenes are filled to the brim with pure unadulterated badass).
edited 16th Sep '12 10:06:32 PM by CrimsonZephyr
"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."
Gollum.
not quite sure what he'd be, but definitely not Slytherin.
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Would that it were so simple.
Hufflepuff
"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."
Because Gollum was totally loyal and not a moocher
The answer is simple,he belongs at Durmstrang which is too evil for Hogwarts,sans Viktor Krum that is.
Well, he was loyal to the Ring. Obsessively so, one might say.
...My Precious, is what I'm saying here.
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antic disposition
Ravenclaw? He was constantly curious about the world around him when he was younger. Plus his riddles and cunning.
"Doctor Who means never having to say you're kidding." - Bocaj
Everyone becomes loyal to the ring eventually,that's what the ring does,so that's a moot point.
From The Fellowship of the Ring:
"The most inquisitive and curious-minded of that family was called Sméagol. He was interested in roots and beginnings; he dived into deep pools; he burrowed under trees and growing plants; he tunnelled into green mounds...He was very pleased with his discovery [of the ring] and he concealed it; and he used it to find out secrets, and he put his knowledge to crooked and malicious uses. He became sharp-eyed and keen-eared for all that was hurtful...[After he is driven away from home, and sees the Misty Mountains.] [He] thought suddenly:...'The roots of those mountains must be roots indeed; there must be great secrets buried there which have not been discovered since the beginning.' "
He's also repeatedly described as "cunning", which is one of the Slytherin traits. So it's a toss-up between Ravenclaw and Slytherin for Gollum.
Fëanor is a Ravenclaw with some Gryffindor traits (he certainly doesn't lack for courage).
All of the Ainur who go evil (Morgoth, Sauron, Saruman) do so out of ambition, and all of them certainly fit the descriptor of "cunning" earlier on and lose more of their subtlety the eviller they get. They're all definitely Slytherins.
edited 17th Sep '12 3:45:58 PM by WarriorEowyn
Would that it were so simple.
He's just wanted his creations back. It's not like he'd ever be able to make another Silmaril. Plus, Melkor is Satan — by definition it's impossible to be more evil than him.
edited 18th Sep '12 10:33:26 PM by CrimsonZephyr
"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."
Wanting his precious back is one thing but killing his innocent brethren to steal their ships is quite another.
Abandoning Fingolfin and the others is also unforgivable.
Melkor never slayed any of his kin.
Not for lack of trying. I mean, how many wars against the Valar did he wage? Hell, I'm sure he killed at least one of them. That's hardly a place where Fëanor is worse than Melkor.
Regardless, I don't see how that's exactly relevant. I mean, who cares if it was his own kin or not? If he killed them, they're dead regardless. Murder isn't any better if it's against someone one does not know or someone one does know. It's still murder and they're still dead.
edited 19th Sep '12 12:40:14 AM by deathpigeon
Melkor never really waged any war against the other Valar. He went around fucking their shit up yes but I don't recall ever hearing about him attacking any of them.
They were the ones who attacked him at Utumno and then Angband. Even when he escaped Valinor I don't think he attacked any of them.
And "Kinslaying" was always treated as an extremely horrific crime and it was easily Feanor's greatest offense.
Also I should probably note here that I really liked Melkor as a character and that is probably making me biased.
edited 19th Sep '12 8:49:45 AM by Nikkolas
Would that it were so simple.
1.) More dead elves is always a good thing. Especially the sissy Sindarin and Teleri. Noldor are much more badass. Killing the rest is just spring cleaning.
2.) Feanor tells both the Valar and Morgoth to go fuck themselves. I can respect that.
3.) Feanor is one of the few characters who is proactive. I can also respect that.
"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."
antic disposition
^Yes, the Noldor were so "badass" they stupided most of their race out of existence. Or prided themselves out of existence, more appropriately.
"Doctor Who means never having to say you're kidding." - Bocaj
Would that it were so simple.
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Eh, as long as blood was spilled, that's all that matters.
The Valar are, by nature, unkillable. Hence Morgoth being tossed into the Void at the end of the Silmarillion rather than being killed.
Even the Maiar are fairly unkillable - they can lose their current form (which is what happened to Gandalf after the fight with the Balrog), but they don't really die. Even Sauron didn't die; he'd simply put so much of his power into the Ring that he didn't have enough to take another physical form, or do much of anything, after the Ring was destroyed. Saruman is an exception, but by the time he's killed he's basically been stripped of his powers.
Fëanor's worst deeds were in pursuit of an objective that wasn't inherently bad: avenging his father and retrieving the Silmarils. Morgoth did evil things - destroying and torturing elves to create the orcs, destroying the Trees, waging constant war against Valar, Elves and Men - solely to be evil, because he resented that there were people in the world other than him who had power of any kind.
edited 22nd Sep '12 10:48:27 AM by WarriorEowyn
Well, Morgoth was even more unkillable than your average Vala, since according to notes in the History of Middle Earth he diffused much of his spiritual essence throughout Middle-Earth, turning it into a Soul Jar on a planetary scale (this is actually what the title of the Ho ME volume Morgoth's Ring references). He literally can't die until the end of the world. Of course, this is all fairly academic, since I don't think there's anything in Arda (except maybe Ungoliant if she'd been able to consume the Silmarils- and of course Eru, but he's a non-interventionist deity for the most part) powerful enough to permanently kill any of the Valar. Even Melkor at his height probably wouldn't have been able to destroy any of his counterparts so badly it stuck. This is mostly conjecture on my part, since the limits of Valarin immortality never get exhaustively tested.
Hufflepuff: Described in the HP books as characterized by a strong work ethic, sense of fairness, loyalty, and egalitarianism. Characters strongly motivated by duty or loyalty go in this house. Ned Stark, Catelyn Stark, Davos Seaworth, Stannis, Brienne. Jon Snow is close between here and Gryffindor, but I think I'm coming down on the side of Hufflepuff. Generally the most ethical characters are Hufflepuffs, but they don't win a lot.
Gryffindor: Basically the house of warriors. People mainly characterized by their prowess in - and liking of - battle go here. Robb Stark, Arya Stark, Jaime Lannister, Robert Baratheon, Renly, Loras, Khal Drogo, Asha, Victarion, Sandor, most of the Wildlings. Likely Rhaegar, though all we have on him is hearsay. A mixed bunch, but almost invariably badass.
Slytherin: Ambition and cunning; ruthlessness optional, but a contributing factor. Cersei, Tywin, probably Tyrion (he's certainly cunning enough), Varys, Littlefinger, Theon (from what we see of him, his main motivation is proving himself). Possibly Dany as well, though she's got a degree of Hufflepuff duty-sense and loyalty to her people to go with it. Viserys. Doran Martell. The eventual winner of the Game of Thrones is likely to be a Slytherin, and in general they've been the most successful so far.
Ravenclaw: Very few Ravenclaws (lovers of knowledge for its own sake) in Westeros, comparatively. Maesters would typically go in this house. The most major character we've seen who fits into Ravenclaw is Maester Aemon. (VERY BELATED EDIT: I forgot Sam Tarly. He's definitely a Ravenclaw.)
I'm leaving out minor characters, characters who haven't been developed far enough to choose a house, and characters who are just Complete Monsters without fitting into any particular house.
Anyone care to make additions?
edited 2nd Feb '13 12:02:11 PM by WarriorEowyn
Would that it were so simple.
The Boltons and every Frey except for Stevron and the Rosby Freys (who are Hufflepuffs) are hardcore Slytherin.
"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."
That's what I meant about leaving out Complete Monster characters. Slytherin isn't the "evil" house; it's the "ambitious and cunning" house. Walder Frey goes in Slytherin for plotting out the Red Wedding, but I'm not convinced there's anything about the rest that clearly puts them there.
If Squall wasn't ambitious, he would not have been able to get so good at killing things that he could drop T-Rexaurs in two hits. And most Hufflepuffs, if not all of them, would be so offended at seeing one so steeped in blood as I managed to get him even thinking about joining their House. Besides, Slytherins can make good commanders.