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iamathousandapples The Collective from Northeast Ohio Megablob Since: Oct, 2009
The Collective
#8701: Jul 15th 2015 at 11:54:29 AM

Some extensions just plain miss ads.

"I could eat a knob at night" - Karl Pilkington
TroperNo9001 Lovely Legilimens from MACUSA Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: If the gov't can read my mind, they know I'm thinking of you
Lovely Legilimens
#8702: Jul 16th 2015 at 3:47:30 AM

How long should you wait before it's safe to bump or double post?

"I just want what everyone else has, that's all."
Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Uniocular
#8703: Jul 16th 2015 at 3:53:48 PM

Never post just to "bump" a thread. That's annoying, and if anyone had anything to say, they would have posted already.

Double posting is usually fine as long as you don't do it incessantly.

"It's so hard to be humble, knowing how great I am."
MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
#8704: Jul 17th 2015 at 11:48:25 PM

On Cannot Tell a Lie:

Note that under the constitutional laws governing the freedom of speech for most industrialized countries, you must be allowed to lie at any time. Including when doing so would break the law. Legally, a character who cannot tell a lie cannot in a real world setting go on any record as saying anything; their word must be held inadmissible in any court of law.
... What? How the f***ing hell does that work? Why would the word of someone who has an innate incapability of telling a lie (or at least, incapability to tell a lie that is convincing to anyone but those who are genuinely suffering from mental disabilities) be inadmissible in courts of law?

Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.
RatherRandomRachel "Just as planned." from Somewhere underground. Since: Sep, 2013
"Just as planned."
#8705: Jul 17th 2015 at 11:56:34 PM

Because it's going to the point of 'Is mentally incapable of telling a lie, and can only tell blunt truth'. Part of this can stem from the inability to be able to discern what is a lie and what is truth - so because of that inability, their evidence would generally be considered unreliable at best.

The trope is more nuanced than this, but it does just work under the assumption that a person cannot tell what is untrue and what is true - and whether they understand the concept of truth or not.

"Did you expect somebody else?"
MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
#8706: Jul 18th 2015 at 12:10:06 AM

... That doesn't make sense. From what I understand, the afflicted character/person could very well understand and distinguish between truth and lie, and yet have an overpowering psychological compulsion to always tell the truth, no matter what. Or be excessively adherent to the idea that Honesty Is the Best Policy and, at the same time, be incapable (due to either stupidity or innocence) of perceiving/understanding what a normal person would know are very blatant signals that telling the truth is A Very Bad Idea.

edited 18th Jul '15 12:13:09 AM by MarqFJA

Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.
RatherRandomRachel "Just as planned." from Somewhere underground. Since: Sep, 2013
"Just as planned."
#8707: Jul 18th 2015 at 12:21:37 AM

That is pretty much it as far as the trope is concerned. What you've highlighted is somebody shoehorning in something.

The assumption of the line you highlighted is that the character in question is totally incapable of telling a lie, and not because of taking a vow of truth, or simply being a very bad liar. Even a very bad liar is capable of understanding the idea of what truth is, but that line you highlighted ignores it.

The line in question is basically taking the very uncommon situation of a person who cannot understand the idea or concept of truth, or is incapable of discerning what is a lie and what is truth, and applying that to a court situation - which is not what the trope is about.

A person who simply does not know what truth as a concept is, or cannot tell the difference between lies and truth, can have their evidence called into question because we cannot be sure of how reliable it is - whereas a person who understands the idea of the truth we can usually call reliable.

edited 18th Jul '15 12:23:48 AM by RatherRandomRachel

"Did you expect somebody else?"
MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
#8708: Jul 18th 2015 at 12:29:58 AM

... So you're saying is that the passage that I've quoted does not belong on the trope description in the first place? Because not being able to tell the difference between truth and lie as concepts would not result in an afflicted person being incapable of telling a lie, but rather that the afflicted would be quite prone to lying without even realizing that they're doing so... which, to be honest, seems paradoxical to me.

Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.
RatherRandomRachel "Just as planned." from Somewhere underground. Since: Sep, 2013
"Just as planned."
#8709: Jul 18th 2015 at 12:41:27 AM

Pretty much - best it be removed, really.

"Did you expect somebody else?"
SciFiSlasher from Absolutely none of your business. Since: Dec, 2011 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#8710: Jul 18th 2015 at 7:33:18 AM

Does anyone know of any places that are noise neutral, so you can be as loud or quiet as you want? I know that book stores and libraries are out of the question.

"Somehow the hated have to walk a tightrope, while those who hate do not."
Aetol from France Since: Jan, 2015
#8711: Jul 18th 2015 at 7:52:03 AM

The great outdoors.

Worldbuilding is fun, writing is a chore
SciFiSlasher from Absolutely none of your business. Since: Dec, 2011 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#8712: Jul 18th 2015 at 8:20:35 AM

[up] Seriously? Give me a real answer. I'm not gonna go to a damn forest to do a You Tube series.

"Somehow the hated have to walk a tightrope, while those who hate do not."
TParadox Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: The captain of her heart
#8713: Jul 18th 2015 at 8:26:26 AM

Rent a house for a weekend? If the house is freestanding, you have to be extremely loud to bother neighbors.

You may be able to find a housesitting gig and get paid to be there.

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BestOf FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC! from Finland Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: Falling within your bell curve
FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC!
#8714: Jul 18th 2015 at 8:44:39 AM

[up][up]You didn't specify in your request that you had to be able to record there. You should've given more information to begin with.

Quod gratis asseritur, gratis negatur.
Thnikkafan ? from Faroe Islands (not really) Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
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#8715: Jul 18th 2015 at 9:37:18 AM

[up][up][up] A) Being a dick doesn't help.

B) Do you not have a house or some other place of residence you can record in? If not, then maybe you have bigger concerns than finding a good place to record a Youtube series.

Anyone who assigns themselves loads of character tropes is someone to be worried about.
Yinyang107 from the True North (Decatroper) Relationship Status: Tongue-tied
#8716: Jul 19th 2015 at 1:56:48 PM

What were the first and second Reichs? Is there a fourth?

MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
#8717: Jul 19th 2015 at 2:00:17 PM

The Holy Roman Empire (which was neither Holy, nor Roman, and usually not even close to being an Empire, but it was damn well German), and the German Empire. The Nazis considered the Weimar Republic as an aberration, designating it as "The System" instead of as a "Reich". The Federal Republic of Germany and the German Democratic Republic (which merged into the former) could probably be considered as the fourth Reich, but neither neo-Nazis nor anti-Nazi Germans would appreciate it, for completely different reasons.

edited 19th Jul '15 2:02:57 PM by MarqFJA

Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.
Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#8718: Jul 19th 2015 at 2:00:58 PM

The Holy Roman Empire and the German Empire, respectively. There has been no official Fourth Reich, though people have jokingly or cynically said that the European Union is the unofficial Fourth Reich due to Germany's disproportionate influence in to the organization.

RatherRandomRachel "Just as planned." from Somewhere underground. Since: Sep, 2013
"Just as planned."
#8719: Jul 19th 2015 at 2:01:55 PM

The First Reich is the Holy Roman Empire, although it's sometimes extended right back to the Carolingian Empire as well.

The Second Reich is the German Empire after its unification by Prussia

"Did you expect somebody else?"
MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
#8720: Jul 19th 2015 at 2:05:18 PM

[nja]

Well, the Carolingian Empire is often considered as the Holy Roman Empire in all but name, since Charlemagne is traditionally considered to be effectively the first Holy Roman Emperor to be ever crowned (though he was admittedly not known by that title; he was just crowned "Emperor of the Romans" by the Pope).

Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.
ColonelCathcart Since: Jun, 2013
#8721: Jul 19th 2015 at 5:03:07 PM

Google Chrome isn't opening at all for me. I've tried uninstalling it and reinstalling it, but it still doesn't open. How do I fix it?

Aetol from France Since: Jan, 2015
#8722: Jul 19th 2015 at 6:31:20 PM

What OS are you on ? What exactly happen when you try to open Chrome ? (is any process showing up in the task manager, are there any error messages, or just nothing at all ?)

edited 19th Jul '15 6:31:52 PM by Aetol

Worldbuilding is fun, writing is a chore
ColonelCathcart Since: Jun, 2013
#8723: Jul 19th 2015 at 6:32:52 PM

[up] For all that I did, I never tried just restarting the computer. It actually does work sometimes, I guess. The process had been showing up in task manager, but nothing ever opened.

edited 19th Jul '15 6:33:10 PM by ColonelCathcart

Luthen Char! from Down Under Burgess Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Playing Cupid
Char!
#8724: Jul 21st 2015 at 6:01:05 AM

Does blue cheese have any gay connotations for Nordic-folk, particularly Danes? Just watched the first episode of Rita where the still-in-the-closet son buys some like it's a condom or something, and then eats it on the bus obviously thinking far too much about it.

EDIT: Actually it was brie. And after talking about the scene, the kid may have just gotten terribly awkward after being in the shop checking someone out without planning to buy anything. So impulse / bad-coverup bought the cheese.

edited 21st Jul '15 6:07:11 AM by Luthen

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WillKeaton from Alberta, Canada Since: Jun, 2010
#8725: Jul 21st 2015 at 9:09:39 AM

In TV land when dealing with the military it often comes up that two people can't start a relationship because they're both in the military. What is the exact rule stating they can't date? How far-reaching is the rule? Exactly who are they allowed to date and not date?


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