Persona series

Pretty sure that was a joke.

Where is Carmen Sandiego!~ Carmen Sandiego!~

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A Carmen Sandiego inspired outfit would be just Joker's outfit but red, also they would need to get the licence. Not to mention that as far as I know Carmen Sandiego is only a NA thing.

edited 29th Nov '17 8:14:32 PM by Memers

Some people actually seemed to think that's what she was.

How could you forget the awesome hat? That makes all the difference. It's why Haru is the best. Her and her awesome hat.

This is both dumb and creepy. Your persona (and, logically, your phantom thief costume) is supposed to be a reflection of your subconscious. Akira's image of rebellion is a Gentleman Thief, Ryuji's is a Pirate, Ann's is a Classy Cat-Burglar, etc. The fact that Ann isn't entirely comfortable with her own phantom thief identity is understandable — unlike the rest of the party, Ann is essentially forced into it out of self-preservation, while everyone else already has another reason for it (though I do wish they'd explored that in more depth than they did).

Except apparently HAHA NOPE JUST KIDDING, some random unnamed asshole just thought it would be funny to dress up the sexual assault victim in a Spy Catsuit with a Cleavage Window. Fucking brilliant.

edited 30th Nov '17 7:12:15 AM by NativeJovian

Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.

Both concepts aren't mutually exclusive, you know.

Also, you're really reaching for your interpretation of Ann. She has one throwaway line about her outfit and the rest of the game she's completely fine with it.

edited 30th Nov '17 7:46:22 AM by EpicBleye

"There's not a girl alive who wouldn't be happy being called cute." ~Tamamo-no-Mae

Like I said, the implication seems to be that the "outside force" is the character's subconscious, at least that's what I got from the game.

But yes, it's generally agreed that the game trying to have it both ways with Ann, making her both a sex abuse survivor and a Ms. Fanservice, is one of the its few weaknesses.

Also shouldn't this be in the dedicated P5 thread?

edited 30th Nov '17 7:49:23 AM by HamburgerTime

She has repeated lines about her outfit, including several in Mementos. The fact that she doesn't bring it up constantly doesn't negate the fact that every time she does bring it up, her reaction to it is negative. It's made clear that she does not like her phantom thief outfit.

And there's a huge difference between "she subconsciously choose that outfit herself, even if she's consciously uncomfortable with it" and "someone else choose the outfit for her", so yeah, I would say that they're mutually exclusive.

I agree that the game implies that it's a subconscious thing, but the artbook referenced earlier says that it's an outside force. One's own mind is pretty much by definition not an "outside" force. It specifically says "without input from the character", which would seem to exclude the idea that this unnamed outside force read her subconscious and decided her outfit based on that.

Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.

Game > supplemental materials IMO.

Even with the disappointing fanservice gags later on, I still have to say the Kamoshida arc is one of the most tactful handlings of sex abuse I've seen in fiction.

Even the jokes in the Yusuke arc make you feel bad for Ann and makes you think of the casual sexism that appears even between friends. Also peer pressure by friends to do things they don't want to do and how tough it is to get out of it without losing friends.

I will say that frequently the comedic scenes in Persona go into "Why are these people even still friends?" territory. That one isn't even the worst one in P5 - beating Ryuji unconscious for worrying them, anyone? An let's not get started on P4...

Meh Anger Born of Worry is understandable especially the way he comes back.

I personally relate to P4's cast, my highschool friends were much the same way.

edited 30th Nov '17 10:42:49 AM by Memers

Anger born of worry ≠ inflicting serious physical damage to someone IMO.

Teenagers are assholes to each other. No surpise there.

Thats true friendship really. To act like utter dicks to each other & still find the other likable in spite of that.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."

Then again I like One Piece where the main characters are even worse to each other...

That's more like an abusive relationship, Slim.

On a lighter note, Futaba dyeing her hair was the most interesting thing in there to me.

Yes I'm trying to change the subject because "Persona frequently uses Cringe Comedy that makes the Western fandom uncomfortable" is something we seem to discuss at least once a month.

edited 30th Nov '17 10:58:03 AM by HamburgerTime

I still haven't watched the Let's Play. Well, I watched the first 40 minutes but then I went back to replaying the intro.

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So... is this one of those games where the bizzare elements are highly symbolic, or is it mostly there for the sake of being weird and energetic but you're not supposed to "get" what it's about later in the game? Because I'm trying to wrap my head around the main characters figure skating down a highway.

It's cool stuff just... what even...

Also, I watched a bit of the Persona 4 anime (did not care for it). But the "guy in the chair" seems oddly familiar. Is he a recurring character in the series, or is there a sort of recurring role where some guy is overseeing the protagonist in an alternate dimension?

I could have sworn there was an old guy in a limo with two other women in Persona 4's anime, and he kept reading off tarot cards every time a new character was about to get their Persona.

edited 30th Nov '17 11:06:47 AM by Soble

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Well I'm thinking more That 70's Show where the crew regularly pranks & burns each other but its all in good fun in the end.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."

That's Igor. He oversees all of the protagonists from 3 onward and has a rotating cast of assistants.

edited 30th Nov '17 11:02:20 AM by LordVatek

This song needs more love.

He began as the assistant of the original Big Good, Philemon, in the first two games, then took over as the Big Good himself for 3-5.

For some reason, that makes me think the spot next game will be filled by someone that normally would be the assistant.

Wake me up at your own risk.

The dev team for 3-5 have moved on (to the mysterious Project Re:Fantasy) so a lot of people think 6-8 will be quite different, just as 3-5 were from 1-2 Part 2.

It depends, really. I mean, it hit quite the success with this formula, so they'll keep at least some of it.

Wake me up at your own risk.

There's more to Persona 5's figure-skating than I thought.

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