DISCUSS pages that MIGHT have to be dealt with

Also, when I searched for TV Tropes on Google, one of the sub-pages listed under TV Tropes was the Did You Just Have Sex? trope.

How ironic.

Will that be fixed?

As I understand it, we're going to start by putting all the questionable items over the fence. Then when we are no longer under the gun to get make the appeal and get the ads back, we can move things back and forth as appropriate.

That's a completely different part of Google at work. Those listings on the search result are just the pages that are particularly active at the moment.

edited 30th Oct '10 9:36:20 AM by FastEddie

The works page for Speed Grapher should probably be fenced, the show is essentially about an evil sex club. (It's also a traditionalist rant, but that's beside the point).

edited 30th Oct '10 12:01:12 PM by SpainSun

No Pregger Sex also seems like it might be a good idea to move. Since it might fall under "sex advice" legally.

I like "fence". Fences are easy to see through/see over/jump over.

Not when it's an Insurmountable Waist-Height Fence.

Sorry. I had to say it.

A couple more for consideration:

The Jailbait Wait

The entire Incest Is Relative index

edited 30th Oct '10 3:18:41 PM by Servbot

Is I Love You, Vampire Son safe?

Don't see why it wouldn't be. It's not even literal incest.

Something just came to mind: In addition to the "big seven", other words that might cause trouble are slurs like the N-word, and the three-letter f-word that is often used to mean "gay". I'm not sure what else would fall under that, but I think there's a lot.

Good point — let me do some digging...

Then I should remove the trope I Love You, Vampire Son off the Incest Is Reletive index...

There is a disussion of the 7.5 on the other thread dealing with tropes like these.

EDIT: Oh no. A glitch happened when I removed the trope from the incest index. The page went blank. Can someone fix this ASAP?

edited 30th Oct '10 7:13:50 PM by chihuahua0

Since that is not the only page it's happened to, I'm going to guess that Fast Eddie is testing the curtain code and something isn't working right. Hold steady. Don't panic.

Slurs fall under dickish, surely? So they shouldn't be used here anyway unless you're quoting somebody or discussing the words in an academic context, in which case I think slurs are usually permissible.

Because unlike profanity, the problem with slurs is not the words themselves being offensive, but their application to other people.

edited 30th Oct '10 7:30:08 PM by BobbyG

What about all of Ken Akamatsu's titles? Also, there's the Ghost In The Shell works and Akira to consider.

edited 30th Oct '10 9:21:42 PM by Willbyr

Well, Stand Alone Complex only seemed PG-13 to me, but the original manga did have rather more adult content. Haven't watched the movie.

I'd consider the first movie and Innocence soft Rs for nudity and violence. Both SAC series and Solid State Society I'd say are hard PG-13s, mainly for violence, brief nudity (several shots of the Major in really skimpy underwear and at least one bare butt shot), and at least one episode that played like a horror movie. To be safe, I'd tag the manga and movie pages...the SAC page, I'd say probably needs further discussion.

edited 30th Oct '10 11:12:31 PM by Willbyr

It's probably a mistake to reason along the lines of "Would it offend your grandmother?" when we have no reason to believe that the things that would offend a grandmother are the same things that would offend an advertiser who's probably looking for a young, tech-savvy, slightly jaded market. Rather, we should try to figure out what would offend advertisers.

So, here's the actual list of what Google won't allow:

Pornography, adult or mature content

Violent content

Content related to racial intolerance or advocacy against any individual, group or organisation

Excessive profanity

Hacking/cracking content

Gambling or casino-related content

Illicit drugs and drug paraphernalia content

Sales of beer or hard alcohol

Sales of tobacco or tobacco-related products

Sales of prescription drugs

Sales of weapons or ammunition (e.g. firearms, firearm components, fighting knives, stun guns)

Sales of products that are replicas or imitations of designer goods

Sales or distribution of coursework or student essays

Content regarding programs which compensate users for clicking ads or offers, performing searches, surfing websites or reading emails

Any other content that is illegal, promotes illegal activity or infringes on the legal rights of others

So, we've handled the first pretty well, and we're working on the second and the fourth. Third could be messy depending on how bad they are about things like Noble Bigot with a Badge (and it'll be even worse if we interpret it to ban written attacks on named individuals or organizations regardless of whether those attacks are racially motivated—how well have we really done at deleting every last piece of nerd rage about people like Sean Malstrom?) The ones about drugs and gambling probably need more discussion. The last one probably forces us to delete all our One Manga links. The rest aren't particularly relevant to us.

Edit: Okay, all our links to whatever we're linking now that we don't link One Manga anymore.

edited 31st Oct '10 2:39:07 AM by feotakahari

Content related to racial intolerance or advocacy against any individual, group or organization

Does this mean Acceptable Targets has to go behind NSFG wall?

Content related to racial intolerance or advocacy against any individual, group or organisation

Err... does this mean we'll have to mark Acceptable Targets? And Church of Happyology?

edited 31st Oct '10 5:59:41 AM by Servbot

I'm sure they're not gonna enforce that particular point; what their answer to out enquiry said was that we had "mature" and "sexual" content (IIRC), so that's probably what they wanna see us take care of.

I mean, our discussion about bigotry is very civilized (in the wiki; not necessarily always in the fora) and I see no way people would complain about those articles.

EDIT: Except for the purpose of trolling, obviously.

edited 31st Oct '10 6:09:45 AM by BestOf

Manga Fox and One Manga run google ads so that should be a non-issue.

One Manga did have to set up another site for their mature manga because of google (before they removed them all)

Manga Fox has a "click here mature warning" before getting to the chapter list. A simple dropdown java script I think.

edited 31st Oct '10 6:45:26 AM by Raso

We cannot assume that because One Manga has Google ads that they'll be acceptable. A pirate site is a pirate site, whether Google has noticed or not.

If they run their ads I find it hard to see them having a problem linking to that site... since they have been audited before and allowed to keep their ads.

Anyway that's like 100,000 links and reworded entries (or replacement with imageshack links)

edited 31st Oct '10 7:11:20 AM by Raso

It would be foolish to assume that because another site has Google Ads that our page about it is ok. They aren't going to be measuring us against other sites during the appeal inspection.