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The US just calls them lieutenant with no real distinction. 1st lieutenants are considered to be possibly capable of doing their job and not a green boot screw up. Butter bars, that is 2nd lieutenants are green boots and widely mocked for it in a variety of ways.
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A 2nd Lieutenant is addressed as "Lieutenant" or "Sir." A 1st Lieutenant is presumed to have gained some experience, and is addressed as "L.T." (pronounced "El-Tee") as a more familiar form of respect.
It's only an insult if the officer is aware that he's being insulted. Thus, addressing a junior officer (i.e., someone below the rank of a full Commander or Lieutenant Colonel) as "Mister" is a reminder that he's still just a junior officer.
edited 23rd Apr '18 4:52:23 PM by pwiegle
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For the Marines it is just sir. Though I heard them described as "The LT" for 1st and 2nd Lieutenants.
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The Navy at least has lieutenant, junior grade rather than 1st lieutenant. They can be casually referred to as "LT" too.
edited 23rd Apr '18 4:04:28 PM by archonspeaks
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For the US Air Force, either grade of Lieutenant can be called "Lieutenant" or "Sir", or you can throw out the full rank if you got a lot of free time. "L.T." is not officially allowed but is pretty common practice. The thinking is that a 2LT and a 1LT are both subsets of LT, so either can be "Lieutenant." Similar rules apply to a Lieutenant Colonel and Colonel, and the various flavors of General. Similarly, Staff Sergeants and Technical Sergeants can both be addressed as "Sergeant", and you might refer to a bunch of Staff Sergeants as "Staffs" and Technical Sergeants as "Techs", but you'd never address individuals that way.
The not-allowed-but-common forms of address get fun. You can call a Chief Master Sergeant "Chief" (officially sanctioned!) and a Senior Master Sergeant "Senior" (not sanctioned, but everyone does it anyways), but never ever ever call a Master Sergeant "Master." That particular form of address carries with it substantial baggage.
edited 23rd Apr '18 5:44:42 PM by AFP
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US Army:
1LT or 2LT are just addressed as "lieutenant". The first lieutenant has had some time with an NCO to make sure she won't embarrass the platoon. A second lieutenant is fresh out of OCS/ROTC/West Point and needs a SSG or SFC to make sure LT doesn't fuck up to hard.
A 1LT will have to have some time as the company/troop/battery Executive Officer. "XO" usually has a very put upon expression as they have to do all the shit the commander doesn't want to do or fill in the details when the commander says "We need 30 soldiers, a 5 ton truck, a water buffalonote and a humvee out at the range with the range box by 0700 Wednesday". And it's late Monday evening when this comes down. And another unit has the range box in their office.
After a period of around 4 years the lieutenant will get pinned the "rail road tracks" note : captain's bars.
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edited 23rd Apr '18 8:34:36 PM by TuefelHundenIV
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One thing I hate about 2LT is depending on the pattern of OCP/ACU, the butter bar can be hard to see, at least for me. The same goes for MAJ.
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Other than 2nd and 1st lieutenant, is the need to not differentiate between the two also applicable between lieutenant colonel and colonel or not?
Most of my guys call me LT. I'm a butterbar, but my promotion orders have actually been sitting in IPERMS for almost two years. But I'm not about to tell anyone that, Cuz I can always point to my 1LT buddies and say "they know what they're doing; make them do it."
Also some more unofficial rank/duty position nicknames, and some from the Field Artillery.
Company commander (usually a captain or 1LT): CO (commanding officer), BC (Battery Commander, field artillery, don't get it mixed up with Battalion Commander, which is usually a lieutenant colonel slot)
1st Sergeant: Top (this ones more general army)
Section Chief (platoon sergeant): Smoke (Chief of Smoke)
Squad leader: Gunny (Gunnery Sergeant)
There's no need to differentiate between LTC and COL, mostly because "lieutenant colonel" is a mouthful and there's no way to abbreviate or shorten "colonel". Calling either rank "colonel" is the norm unless you're the MC at a military ball or some other formal thing.
edited 23rd Apr '18 9:36:03 PM by danime91
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LTC and COL:
Lieutenant Colonel commands a battalion and is the boss of most of the 1SG and Company commanders. They are the ones who are the evaluators of the company/batter/troop commanders. Called "Colonel" as a shorthand unless it's a formal setting or it's paperwork.
The Colonel is the Elvis of the chain of command, rarely seen, often talked about. If you're a junior enlisted soldier and you see the Colonel, either he's just visiting, you're in the field and he's visiting "his troops" or you done fucked up and your in his office being read UCMJ.
Most of the time troops will see the LTC more often because a battalion/squadron sized unit in the Army is like a family. The brigade is a neighborhood with the COL (or "full bird") as the mayor.
If you see a general, it's rare.
edited 28th Apr '18 8:26:28 PM by TairaMai
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Basically, the troops will call their officers and NCOs whatever they can get away with calling them, whether it's officially sanctioned or not.
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Pretty much. It is an ages old practice.
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edited 24th Apr '18 5:36:02 PM by TuefelHundenIV
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https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/news/20180424_26/
NHK has an update on the SDF officer who had some interesting words with the opposition:
The officer is a major in his 30s and works in the command and communications system department at the Joint Staff Office in Tokyo.
He encountered Hiroyuki Konishi, an Upper House lawmaker of the Democratic Party, while jogging near the Diet building on Monday last week. Konishi has been grilling the Defense Ministry over its handling of SDF activity logs.
The major, who has been questioned by ministry officials, reportedly introduced himself to Konishi as a member of the SDF.
He then told Konishi that his Diet activities are hurting Japan's national interests. He also reportedly ridiculed Konishi for his stance.
The major is said to have told officials he felt that his sense of duty as a member of the SDF was not taken seriously.
Konishi said he was accused of being an enemy of the people, but the major has denied saying that.
The officer has reportedly expressed regret for making rude remarks.
The Defense Ministry says it will take disciplinary action against the major.
Oh, speaking of nicknames for Senior NC Os, in the Air Force, the First Sergeant (an appointed Senior NCO position, not to be confused with the rank in the Army) is known as the First Shirt or the Shirt. I have no idea why.
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Speaking of titles, I realized that at some point I started to call E-7 and below “sar’n”, instead of “sergeant”. I used to wonder if I wasn’t supposed to do that, but since nobody ever called me out on that, including my absolute bitch of a NCO who was fucking anal about etiquettes, I’m just sticking with it.
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Russia Widens EW War, ‘Disabling’ EC-130s In Syria
“Right now in Syria we are operating in the most aggressive EW environment on the planet from our adversaries. They are testing us everyday, knocking our communications down, disabling our EC-130s, etcetera,” Gen. Raymond Thomas told an audience of some 2,000 intelligence professionals.
While, for obvious reasons, we don’t know many details about the nature of the attacks on the EC-130s, we do know the Russians have done what one EW expert called a “good job” in several recent conflicts using EW. And the Russians are in force in Syria and provide most of the gear used by the Syrian military.
“The Russians have redone and reengineered their entire EW fleet in the last 20 years,” notes Lori Moe Buckhout, a retired Army colonel who specializes in EW. After the Russians attacked Georgia, they concluded they needed to upgrade their EW capabilities, she says. “The Russians put in millions on upgrades after Georgia. They’ve ended up with killer capabilities, jamming in a multitude of frequencies for hundreds of kilometers.”
She also notes that the Russians may not have gone head to head against the EC-130s EW attack capabilities. They may have taken the much easier route of interfering with the Position, Navigation and Timing (PNT) or their communications gear, making it more difficult to fly the aircraft since crews would have had to rely on maps, line of sight and other techniques.
“The problem the EC-130s have is that, while they are jamming, the crews aren’t doing much else,” making them more vulnerable to attacks, she says. “They could have gone after the PNT or the comms.” The Russians “know all of our vulnerabilities.”
There are other problems US forces must cope with, says Loren Thompson, a well known defense consultant: “We’ve spent so much time fighting enemies in Southwest Asia who were technically unsophisticated that we are not up to speed on tactical electronic warfare.” Buckhout said Thompson has a point.
Using EW on a Compass Call seems like a weirdly bad idea. They have recording and detection gear as well as offensive systems. From the video it sounded like he was talking about AC-130s, which would make a lot more sense.
edited 25th Apr '18 6:05:22 PM by archonspeaks
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I was thinking something similar that is targeting the craft. Remember how I mentioned the US could rather easily bait the Russians into doing that to a craft designed to collect sig int on EW attacks? I think it was a Compass Call and they wanted the Russians to launch an EW attack at it. Though you don't want to openly admit it.
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The Russians are good at EW, but they've always seemed a little loose with it. The US plays its EW cards very close to the chest.
I think he was probably talking about an AC-130 though. Jamming an AC-130 could give them some trouble, potentially to the point of being unable to fire if they don't have comms with folks on the ground or GPS.
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Yes. Think we actually had three at one point...
edited 23rd Apr '18 9:26:03 AM by TerminusEst
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