Subpages cleanup: Complete Monster

On the Super Sentai page:

• Akibaranger may be a parody series, but that really doesn't mean it's free from utter scumbags. We introduce you... the true Big Bad of the series: Doctor Z/Tsuzuki Takehiro, Hiroyo's father. How much of a scumbag is he? After having his villain design rejected by the Z-Cune Aoi producers because he's too insistent on imbalancing it with Darker and Edgier elements, he declared a hatred to all things Moe and yuri — and eventually all anime and especially Akihabara for not sharing his interest, effectively showing some gigantic Fantastic Racism towards Otaku culture. He cursed his own daughter with his creation, just so she'd lose her voice when he learned that she became a seiyuu for Aoi. When he came to the real world, one of his first acts was to fire around 40 Chief Clerks for no apparent reason. All while watching the Akibarangers suffer due to the curse he placed on Hiroyo, which activates the more the Akibarangers fight in the real world, AND from the beating from his Dragon, Delu-Knight. And what does he consider it as? "Great lunch break diversion". Just shows how low an Otaku can go in terms of villainy... Or that's what he could aspire had this been an official Sentai series. As this is a parody, it ends up as a subversion that literal Executive Meddling had him undergo Motive Decay and eventually had him pull a Heel–Face Turn and decided to start anew as a good scientist. Even the Akibarangers decided to let this particular meddling stick.

Another parody/subversion example.

EDIT: Oh for crying out loud, there's a BARBIE example?!

Barbie as Rapunzel

• Gothel is not only horrible towards Rapunzel, but started a petty (albeit, implied to be bloodless) feud between two countries because her boyfriend dumped her.

edited 5th Jul '13 1:05:36 PM by TVRulezAgain

Oh FFS. Delete both.

Now, as for Stephen King, what about the remainders?

@ACW

Yeah, that Ishii Shiro. There's a link here to some of what Dr. Poisons I & II get upto if you're interested: http://scans-daily.dreamwidth.org/212173.html

Yikes, that may be a qualifier. Does she have any redeeming features like Ares (what ARE his ahyway?)?

Ares cares for his family, and his siblings. Some of them anyways. When he helped Cassandra "Wonder Girl" Sandsmark get her powers back, all he wanted was for her to call him "brother".

I can see Dr. Poison qualifying as well, but firmly different type of villain to Alkyone who's a power hungry would-be tyrant who sells out her own people and tries to kill an infant simply because she sees her as an abomination

Ah. And so what did we decide about Genocide?

Remove her, sadly

Alright, so DC has some changes:

• Remove Genocide (and MAYBE Alkyone); add Poison?
• Add Mister Mind
• I believe Ambar had a rewrite of Mongul II

EDIT: Ah, the first 2 are taken care of; dammit people, you know the rule: if the CM or YMMV page is changed, the pther needs to be as well. I took care of it for Mind and Mongul 2.

edited 5th Jul '13 4:58:39 PM by ACW

There's a Stephen King example from Under The Dome that I don't believe is on the Stephen King Monsters page.

Complete Monster: At best, Selectman James P. "Big Jim" Rennie is a cold-blooded, amoral, greedy, psychopathic bastard. Soon after the start of the novel, we learn that the man is the ringmaster of a massive drug ring, apparently one of the biggest suppliers of meth in the whole country. Then it gets worse. Not only do we learn that he killed his own wife by smothering her with a pillow (a woman already dying of cancer, no less), but over the course of the novel, to ensure that he remains absolute master of the town, he covers up the various murders and rapes committed by his son, Junior, and the gang of thugs he's commissioned as a police force. He kills three or four people (including a pastor, smashing his head in with a gold-covered baseball) who threatened to reveal to his subjects what kind of a monster he is, purposefully causes a riot over supplies just so he can claim need for greater control, and frames the main protagonist, Dale Barbara, for everything that he and his gang has gotten away with. He even considers killing his own son, when Junior becomes too insane to control (eventually, he gets killed by others). Then, because he had his gang steal huge amounts of propane (the only fuel source in town) just so he could make more meth, he sets the stage for the massive explosion that consumes almost everything in the town, turning the atmosphere into little more than an assortment of poisonous gases, and then gets away with it, hiding away in a fallout shelter. Even worse, he refuses to accept fault for anything that either he did or happened because of his decisions, even so far as to excuse his multiple murders as "sending them into the arms of Jesus," his faith allowing him to dismiss any of the multiple atrocities he does.

Does he count? I certainly think he meets the heinous standard but I don't remember if he has an excuse or not. He's humanized in the series, but does he count in the novel?

Rennie's on the King page.

@Lightysnake

While I agree that Alkyone and Doctor Poison II are very different types of monsters, the point I was trying to make was this one:

Alkyone is an Amazon. She is a super strong, nigh invulnerable bitch from a race of immortal warrior women, and as Captain of the Guard, was one of the best fighters among them. Yet her crimes don't extend beyond one attempted infanticide, and subsequently, betraying the Amazons to Ares while under the questionable influence of Genocide's soul.

Doctor Poison II, on the other hand, is an unpowered human who nevertheless manages to endanger thousands, if not millions of people with her toxins, mutants, and diseases, while performing godawful experiments on her victims.

Poison, it strikes me, is as bad as a non-powered human can be in a Wonder Woman comic. I'm not sure that Alkyone is as bad as an evil Amazon can be.

Would you say she's worse or less worse then Aresia?

Lots worse, given Aresia/Fury is a heroine in the comics.

I know we are busy, but what happened to the writeups for Sauron and Owlman?

The Sauron writeup has some bizarre focus on the Beren/Luthien story last I checked - I do not see how it could contribute so much heinousness to deserve the bulk of the entry.

I think Ambar had done Owlman; but we were debating if he counted.

I'll put up the entry soon then, and I'll submit the Owlman writeup as well. Septimus's opinion is noted, but he's rather outvoted on this one. If he wants to do a writeup as well, I'd be glad to see it.

edited 6th Jul '13 1:34:25 PM by Lightysnake

Considering that we didn't vote on the exact structure of the entry, I kind of question that.

It does make up the majority of his "onscreen" appearance.

Yes, but not heinousness.

You objected. Ambar thought it was fine. Exister as well.

If you want to suggest something, by all means, go ahead and do so.

Just shorten the mention of the Beren/Luthien story.

If anyone else thinks so, I'll give that a look.

Wait, Aremis is a good guy in the comics?

Wow, I...I'm actually surprised by that, considering how chilling her DCAU counterpart was.

Re: Sons of Anarchy:

Good to know that a CM can develop over time, despite the unlikelihood.

I went over Stahl's biography and several episodes, and even then I don't think she cuts it. She causes several deaths over the course of the show, but only one is in cold blood (her girlfriend). Four different killings can be traced back to her, but one is in self-defense (Edmond Hayes), and another two are murders she is accidentally responsible for (Half-Sack and Donna) and committed by several other people. She actually feels remorse over the one she is confronted with, and breaks down crying a season later when it's pushed in her face by the woman's husband. I do think she crosses the MEH when she kills her girlfriend to tell her superiors a cover story, and further kicks the dog by betraying Jax's deal and exposing him to the club, which would likely mean his death. Then in her death scene she again breaks down crying and shows vulnerability. I just don't see enough to elevate her over the other murderers and career criminals in the series. Maybe she just seems more heinous because she's supposed to be on the good side.

As regards Jimmy O'Phelan, I went over him too and I think his death scene is played too sympathetically. He just calmly accepts it and is courteous to his killers and his old enemy, who carries out the deed to get revenge on him. It creates just enough sympathetic traits to make it unlikely to qualify him.

At this point I'm leaning towards a cut for all of them. Weighing the merits and demerits of all the characters, I feel this show hasn't managed to portray a total monster up to this point.