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Guys I just saw the character page for Admiral Akainu of One Piece and it has Even Evil Has Standards and a Pet the Dog moments. Somone explain this ?

• Even Evil Has Standards:
  • During the timeskip, he had a huge battle with Aokiji over who would be the new Fleet Admiral. He won, but spared Aokiji's life.
  • He also surprised everyone by not killing Bonney on the spot when he had an easy chance. The same man that goaded Ace to his death, hunted down Luffy just for being the son of the government's most dangerous enemy and killed a man who just wanted to go home to his family because said man knows a Mook like him would simply get hurt or worse in this battle. He also finds Z to be extreme in his methods.
  • He also calls out the Gorosei for the stunt Doflamingo did involving his faking out of his resignation as the King of Dressrosa and makes it clear that he hates how the Marines are essentially attack dogs for the corrupt Celestial Dragons due to their influence.

• Pet the Dog:
  • When the time came to have a new Fleet Admiral, it came down to Akainu and Aokiji. Aokiji was utterly against Akainu becoming Fleet Admiral, and opposed his potential promotion any way he could. Eventually the conflict reached a boiling point, with the two engaging in a death match to decide who becomes Fleet Admiral. After a massive battle that lasted for 10 days, Akainu won. Rather than killing him for opposing his ideals and trying to stop him from becoming Fleet Admiral to the point of having a death match for the position, Akainu spared Aokiji and the latter left the Marines.

edited 14th Dec '17 2:09:37 PM by miraculous

None of those are redeeming. We never see him spare Aokiji, so we don't know why he did it. Being "disgusted" by Z is non-canon, and being pissed off at the other Marines is nothing but his self-righteous Knight Templar self. He's just angry they aren't as fanatically "pure" as he believes all Marines should be.

'Yes' to Stefano and the Redwall rewrite.

Ok, so I Lied, I have one final candidate for us...from the Korean Thriller Missing (2009). The film tells the story of a young woman named Hyeon-Jeong looking for her missing sister Hyeon-A in a small village...where she finds the man responsible for her sister's vanishing.

Who is he?

Mr. Pan-Gon is the main antagonist of the film and a sadistic Serial Killer. A middle-aged, quiet, and seemingly mild-mannered fellow who lives alone with his mother on a small farm outside of the village, Pan-Gon hides some dark secrets...

What has he done?

Kicking the film off, Pan-Gon approaches a stranded Hyeon-A and her sort-of boyfriend, requesting they assist him in moving some grain packets, as his back has been hurt. As the boyfriend attempts to help, Pan-Gon uses a garrot to try and strangle him, and" when the boyfriend escapes Pan-Gon's grip, Pan-Gon buries a shovel into his head, killing him in front of the horrified Hyeon-A.

Capturing Hyeon-A, Pan-Gon locks her in a dog cage and keeps her in darkness for several hours before forcing her to strip for him. To keep her under control, Pan-Gon threatens to lock her in a cage with his vicious attack dog.

Bathing her with a hose and dressing her up, Pan-Gon has a little "party" with Hyeon-A, where he has her blow out three candles on a cake. He then reveals this is because she is the third girl he has kidnapped. Uh-oh.

After "entertaining" her with....karaoke (I'm not even joking), Pan-Gon gets pissed off when she refuses to applause his "performance," and promptly molests then brutally rapes her.

For the next few days, Pan-Gon repeatedly rapes Hyeon-A until she hardly move, at which point he forces her to give him oral sex. She uses the opportunity to chomp down on his you-know-what.

Outraged, Pan-Gon ties Hyeon-A up, then gleefully uses pliers to yank out all of her teeth as "punishment" for biting him.

As Hyeon-A's sister Hyeon-Jeong comes around investigating, Pan-Gon tries to brush her away as quickly as possible, even as Hyeon-Jeong learns that Pan-Gon's wife mysteriously "ran off" some years ago....riiiiight, I'm SURE that's what happened....

Later, when Hyeon-Jeong continues to snoop around, Pan-Gon captures her, and giddily torments her by claiming her sister is dead, which she refuses to believe. Pan-Gon proclaims that Hyeon-Jeong is going to be his newest "plaything."

Before he can begin tormenting her, Pan-Gon is approached by a neighboring dog trainer, who reveals he knows what Pan-Gon is up to, and demands he sign over his expensive land to him lest he tell the cops.

Though Pan-Gon at first seems to comply, he uses the opportunity when the dog trainer's back is turned to cleave his head with an axe. When a local, amateur police officer shows up and finds a captured Hyeon-Jeong, Pan-Gon buries an axe in his head.

Hyeon-Jeong having used the opportunity to escape her bindings, she attempts to flee while Pan-Gon chases her, boasting the fact that he killed his own father when he was a teenager and has been killing ever since, until she finally manages to recover a pistol and gun him down.

As he lays dying, Pan-Gon is questioned by Hyeon-Jeong as to her sister's location....Pan-Gon starts cackling, and proclaims he already told her. He really did kill her sister. When a horrified Hyeon-Jeong demands to know at least the location of her sister's corpse so she may properly bury her (A BIG deal in Korea and such), Pan-Gon sadistically reveals tha the did to her what he did to all of his victims.

He fed them into a meat grinder. While they were still alive. Then he fed their butchered remains to his chickens. Ouch.

Hyeon-Jeong finishes off the laughing Pan-Gon, then dumps his body into the same meat grinder in a move of revenge, and proceeds to leave the village, intent on restarting her life.

Freudian Excuse or other redeeming features?

Alright, couple things here.

First, Pan-Gon has a dog who, though mainly used as an attack dog, he does seem to treat nicely enough. Thing is? The neighboring dog trainer slashes said dog's throat, and Pan-Gon finds the animal's dead body.

He....is completely indifferent. He focuses solely on the dog trainer blackmailing him, and even continues to act like a smug douche the whole time.

Now, secondly...Pan-Gon has an elderly mother who he keeps fed and alive with medicine, and sleeps in the same room as. Issue here? His mother wants to die. She obviously hates her son, tries to resist his feeding and medicating her, and indeed dies of old age at the end of the film while seemingly trying to call the police on him for being a lunatic, and Pan-Gon's one scene of dialogue with her consists of him mocking her state, and smugly proclaiming "You will never die. You have to stay alive and see how HAPPY your son's life is!"

So, I don't really see this as redeeming. Pan-Gon seems to be keeping his mother alive just to mock her state, and while there might be some weird psychological reason for this, the film doesn't actually give us a reason for it.

Besides these? Nothing to note. Pan-Gon is a sadistic madman who takes deep pleasure in what he's doing, and even calls himself a "nice guy" who will be "kind" to the women he kidnaps if they do as he says, but this is complete BS, and he's such a psychotic loose cannon that what he constitutes as "doing what he says" can flip on a dime.

Heinousness?

Worst character in-story. The dog trainer's a prick who kills Pan-Gon's dog and agrees to help him murder Hyeon-Jeong in exchange for his land, but he's obviously hesitant about it and isn't close to Pan-Gon in evil. The end of the film implies that this other old, creepy man is also a serial killer, but it's nothing more than an implication.

Overall, kills three women via meat grinder after keeping them as torture and sex toys, murders three men throughout the film to cover up his crimes, tries to rape then kill Hyeon-Jeong, and makes every indication that he's going to continue after.

Final Verdict?

I'd lean Keeper.

edited 14th Dec '17 2:40:01 PM by Ravok

Pan-Goo.

Pan-Gon. Apparently based on a true story.

to Stefano and Pan-Gon

Also, I want to ask a question. Millennium Earl was originally considered a CM. But I wonder what make him ended up getting axed?

I know the Millennium Earl genuinely loves the rest of the Noahs as family, so there's a major disqualifier already.

to Stefano Valentini and Pan-Gon.

pan gon and redwall rewrite.

edited 14th Dec '17 3:16:10 PM by miraculous

@dragonfire Right...........that makes sense

Stefano, Pan-Gon, and the Gulo rewrite. And the stuff Akainu is too ambiguous to be genuinely mitigating. We don't know why he spared Aokiji or Bonney and the stuff with the Gorosei is purely about making the Marines look bad. I don't even necessarily agree that he counts (no, I'm not arguing to cut him) but none of those examples really fit.

for Mr. Pan-Gon.

@Ravok & Tommyfresh: Ah ok thanks. I was just curious about him as I was playing the villains in J stars recently and decided to check them out and got confused by this stuff on admiral Akainu 's page.

@Elfen: It sucks sometimes but for awful villains like Ruvik, Castor troy and millenuim who love somone it doesn't matter how bad they are, they can never count. The only way they'd count is if they tossed that love away like Ego or Zoom or didn't care anymore as that love faded away like Dio Brando or J'son.

edited 14th Dec '17 3:25:11 PM by miraculous

Stefano and Pan-Gon.

Pan Goo

@miraculous Or like Souichi Tomoe who used to love his daughter and his wife in the flashbacks I guess? But didn't care for them in the present day to the point he abused his own daughter for experiment purposes.....Or Griffith is also a good example too, He used to care for his subordinates, but he threw his redeeming qualities out of window after.............Well, you know.

edited 14th Dec '17 3:31:15 PM by ElfenLiedFan90

And then we have Torquemada, who DID love his wife at first but later on didn't (I THINK he put her in an insane asylum; my memory's a little murky on that).

Stefano, Pan-Gon

Alright, having (unfortunately) read Nemesis, I can say the villain (whose series is a total of four issues) certainly does not need a 322-word writeup. Here's my proposed rewrite:

• Nemesis: The title character is a wealthy sociopath who paid to become a supervillain. Nemesis travels around the world, slaughtering innocents and targeting honest police chiefs for fun. Choosing inspector Blake Morrow as his next target, Nemesis terrorizes the United States: crashing a plane into Washington; gassing the Pentagon to kidnap the President; and blowing up a prison that detains him after letting himself get caught. To further torment Blake, Nemesis inseminates his daughter with his son's sperm and triggering her womb to collapse if an abortion is attempted. Confronted by Blake, Nemesis reveals he's strapped bombs to both the President and Blake's wife and ecstatically tries to force the inspector to choose who will die.

Furthermore, I'd strongly argue against labeling him a Villain Protagonist. Blake gets a lot of screentime.

Both are equally good, imo

edited 14th Dec '17 4:27:45 PM by 43110

Big Bad then, or just use Antagonist Title?

Cool.

edited 15th Dec '17 2:58:38 AM by ACW

I found a something for the Quotes page for Drake Merwin.

Looks like someone added entries for two of the villains from Dark Nights: Metal a couple of weeks back. I'm guessing it'd be safe for me to remove them, but I thought I'd alert the thread first to make sure I'm not making any mistakes. Is anybody here reading that, by the way?

edited 14th Dec '17 5:39:45 PM by LordXavius

Pan-Gon

I'll say right now there's no way the Batman Who Laughs counts at the moment. His past is way too messed up... plus the Joker toxin makes his agency suspect as well.

edited 14th Dec '17 7:15:15 PM by Scraggle

Another image proposal ... I remember this issue ...

Violator◊ from Spawn

I have no idea what's going on there.

Just saw Star Wars Eight.

This is going to be an interesting discussion.