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Who is the other Jack?

Nobody, just made a mistake and wrote the name twice. My bad.

edited 19th Nov '17 8:51:49 PM by Overlord

@Fried I think the reason why Hela is making such a big splash is the division about her relation with Fenrir, while with Ego it was much more agreed upon his "love" was BS. I agree Ego is a far more interesting character and she's indeed quite bland, it's just she happens to have a scene that comes across as more morally ambiguous than any of Ego's.

edited 19th Nov '17 11:12:08 PM by 43110

Still need to know how many words I need for Jack and Wrecker.

I'm thinking maybe 130 words for Jack, and 150 for Wrecker? Sound good?

No right answer on that one, bud. Just impress their villainy into the writeup without getting into extraneous detail. They both look like short stories so I see no reason why they should be long.

Right then. Here is Wrecker.

Probably too long. Gonna trim it down later.

Minecraft Endventures: Wrecker, a loyal soldier of the Endermaster, is introduced leading Endermen as they devour humans. Pursuing Colin and Red, Wrecker orders his Endermen to consume them and Porkey, Colin's battlepig. After being driven off by Shadow, who can turn into an Enderman, Wrecker recognises him when he and his friends try to hijack the Endermen’s ship to reach the rebel base, seeing through Shadow's attempt to pass a loyal Enderman. Showing away, he tries to kill a sleeping Red, singing a twisted lullaby as he does so, only the intervention of Click-Clack and Shadow stopping him. After General Endreai is “fired” for his incompetence, Wrecker is promoted to general, and quickly figures out how to reach the rebel base, leading an all out attack by the Endermen. In the ensuing battle, Wrecker steals a human’s flint and steel, burning him alive before igniting TNT and destroying the fortress, leading to the rebels being massacred, with Wrecker killing any who try to flee. Confronting the human leader, he recognises him as someone whose family he had killed, and enjoys taunting him over it. Killing an Enderman for not giving him his Endblade, Wrecker defeats the leader, and reveals his philosophy to him, believing that by killing others he becomes stronger, singing another twisted lullaby as he kills the leader. A sadistic Blood Knight, Wrecker's actions made the series much darker.

EDIT: Found the Willcraft wiki page on Wrecker here, to reference if anyone is curious. EDIT 2: I have a better idea for a rewrite of this for later, actually. Give me a little time.

I also think Wrecker could provide the page image for Fan Work monster.

edited 19th Nov '17 10:39:10 PM by Vampireandthen

I saw a comment earlier on this thread about the most complex villain proposed here, and I'll say that goes to Anton Chigurh from No Country for Old Men.

If Hela is approved (not voting since I haven't seen the movie yet and am avoiding the effortpost), we'll now be 3 for 3 on former Elven nobility turned MCU CMs who aren't particularly deep, which is kind of a weird pattern.

edited 20th Nov '17 12:14:52 AM by nrjxll

Following up that note about Kekkai Sensen, I just finished the first season of the anime and the Arc Villain was damn nasty:

What's the work?

Blood Blockade Battlefront (also known as Kekkai Sensen) is a science-fantasy series about Leonardo "Leo" Watch, who, after being involved in an incident in which his sister was blinded and he was granted the power to see other dimensions, moved away to Hellsalem's Lot out of guilt from not being able to protect her. Hellsalem's Lot was built three years ago atop the ruins of New York City, after a mysterious event known as the Great Catastrophe destroyed it. Although powerful psychers known as Casters stopped the catastrophe from spreading and consuming the rest of the planet, it created an opening to "the Beyond" and resulting in alien-like creatures coming to co-exist there.

In the time proper, an organization known as Libra works to stop terrorism against the peaceful co-existence and to stop the barrier around Hellsalem from falling and resulting in the world's destruction. Leo gets mistaken for a new recruit and joins the whacky bunch. Going on many episodic adventures in a mostly comedic series, most of the villains are fairly silly, though the guy we're about to meet is anything but.

Who is the King of Despair? What has he done?

One of thirteen powerful "Kings" from the Beyond, for much of the series all we know is he's working on some mysterious master plan and he's possessing the body of a teenaged boy named Black. An Eldritch Abomination that appears as a bizarre light, the King of Despair came to Earth during the Great Catastrophe and is first seen by Mary MacBeth/White (White's a nickname, though what she's called most commonly), a young girl who happens upon it looming over her terrified brother, William/Black in the destroyed city. After Black allows him to enter his body, he begins his nefarious plotting. Seeking to break the barriers of the city, the King either causes massive, destructive events to weaken them or predicts that they will occur and allows the tragedies to strike—the anime is purposely vague as to whether or not he causes them—though people die either way.

After Leo and White befriend each other by staying in the same hospital, the King learns of their relation and demands White bring him Leo so he can use his eyes to locate and destroy the remaining barriers, saying he won't give Black's body back to him unless she does. Now, being a villain, as soon as White bring him Leo, he not only does not leave Black's body but also kills White, as she had a barrier inside her before dragging Leo off to use his eyes.

In the 40-minute finale the King really ups his nastiness. Revealing his plan to be to (surprise, surprise) dismantle the barrier so he can destroy the world, the King is shown to have existed since Roman times and has influenced many world events such as the rise of the Nazi party and the Kennedy assassination. When the Thirteen King's leader, the King of Depravity, accuses Despair's apocalypse as being boring, Despair becomes enraged, shifting buildings about to kill countless and summoning a horde of animal-headed zombies to devour people as he watches with delight. When Libra branch leader and Team Dad, Klaus, confronts him, the King mocks him for trying to defend Black's body that he's inhabiting and drops debris on both of them to laugh as Klaus is forced to defend him. After defeating Klaus in combat, Leo arrives and reaches out with his eyes to contact White's spirit, bringing Black back in control of his body and seemingly killing the King... although the after credits scene shows a man flipping a coin and whistling a tune, both actions the King often did.

Heinousness?

Despite being in a series where villains who are largely Played for Laughs cause mass destruction in Hellsalem, the King's plot is way more encompassing than theirs and he's an absolute Knight of Cerebus. Although two other Kings help him with his plan, they mostly spectate and he actually causes all the shit to go down.

Mitigating factors?

He's got a cordial relation with the other Kings, although it mostly seems to be for personal gain, as he finds them annoying and the only time he really seems to be showing happiness with them is when they bring him a device he needs to destroy the barrier. Nothing to indicate a genuine friendship. There's also a scene where he runs into a woman who's about to be raped by two thugs in an alleyway, catches her arm as she tries to run, then lets her go and kills the thugs. The thing here? He seems to have just wanted to kill someone and while she ran out into an open street, they were tucked away out of sight. Additionally, he tells them if they can "guess what [he] is" then he'll go catch her for them. There's zero to indicate he actually likes his fellow Kings or had any concern for the woman's well being (especially since, y'know... wants to destroy the planet she lives on).

Moral agency? Wasn't sure about this at first but I noticed both of the other Kings (Depravity and Monomania) act against accordance with their titles quite freely and Despair just seems to be a sadist. Additionally, it's never said that their nature is even rooted in their title, so it could well just be a name for something they're known for.

Verdict

I say keep. What do people think?

Hela's an odd one for me. She didn't leap out at me as monstrous (certainly not as horrifying as Ego) and one could argue that Odin RAISED her to be a warrior and a killer from birth; in a sense she didn't know any other life, hence why she couldn't adjust when Odin decided to give peace a chance

Edit: Ayria

edited 20th Nov '17 1:03:25 AM by LordYAM

Bone Joker and the other Batman lit baddies will all go together. I know Scraggle's got another Joker.

King of Despair

Btw, I felt that I found another candidate again albeit I'm unsure if he will qualify to this trope........I will tell you the details but I'll give you some spoiler what he has done: He's a serial killer and a homage to Jack the Ripper. However, the main problem is that he kills 4 people which is definitely low bodycount for a serial killer itself........However, here's the thing that probably pushes him over the edge: His methods of killing.........So here's the thing, He basically decapitates 3 of his victims and one of his victims got her body parts severed when she died and left it scattered across the town. Not only that, he preserve some of his victim's body as a trophy in his own home. In the next episode, He does another murder, although a bit tamer than usual, it ended up making the protagonist getting framed for the murderer. So with that being said, Do you think this character counts or not despite his low bodycount? I will tell you the details in the EP

And for those who are curious what's the name of the work, It's called The Adventures of Bertram Fiddle. Have seen some of the L Ps and I felt that he could count albeit unsure about it

edited 20th Nov '17 1:29:03 AM by ElfenLiedFan90

King of despair

4 murders is on the low end, but probably enough to count, especially if the murders are extraordinarily brutal.

King of Despair

King of Despair

Decapitation usually means a quick death for the victim. So unless the killer makes sure to do it in a slow and painful way it’s not really that different from him slashing their throats or just stabbing them to death.

Alright, I'll EP this character nonetheless and let's see what I can do

What's the Work

The Adventures of Bertram Fiddle is a point-and-click adventure puzzle game set in the Victorian Era of London. It tells us the story of a man named Bertram Fiddle and his Peruvian sidekick Gavin. Now here's the thing, Bertram is an adventurer himself however as the year went passed he's running out of ideas for adventuring. His wife insisted that he should work at Mr. Dulsworth soap factory but Bertram refuses. After he comforts his crying wife, He promised to her that he will find new adventures and then do a favor for her by taking her dog to the groomery. However, after he went out to the streets on London. He accidentally bumps into a stranger and ended up swiping his wife's dog cage with the stranger's bag. And this is where Bertram's new adventure begin........

Who Is He/What Has He Done

Geoff the Murderer is the renowned serial killer of London. He first met Bertram when he accidentally bumps onto him and accidentally swiping the dog cage with his bag. This ended up making Bertram and Gavin chasing him but failed to catch him. After Bertram failed to catch him, He suddenly found one of a body parts to a certain victim which would be important later on. And when he went into adventures club, he met with a reporter called Emilina and she wants to interview Sherlock Holmes so that she could write a story regarding Geoff the Murderer. After hearing this, Bertram Fiddle said that he will capture Geoff and then went to the Adventure's Club building.

So here's the thing for me that makes Geoff Heinous enough to qualify. See, after Bertram getting into the building and met with Sherlock....Bertram opens the bag and found a decapitated head with missing body parts in it. (Btw, Sherlock in here is a jerk) Sherlock said that it was done by Geoff the Murderer and then mocks Bertram that he can't find him but if Bertram succeed, Sherlock will wore a woman's dress. Fortunately, Watson helps them by saying they need to find the spirits and find the severed body parts so that they could communicate with the corpse and help her find peace.

After founding the severed body parts that was scattered through London thanks to Geoff, Bertram arrived in the spirit medium's house and combine the body parts. The spirit medium helps them by communicating through the corpse's spirit and said that she was in great torment. Unfortunately, it ended up attracting the evil spirits and after being chased by them, Bertram found Geoff's house and also Sherlock and Watson. Sherlock said that Geoff the murderer have fled from the scene. But even then, Fiddle and his sidekick entering the house anyway. Here, they found another severed decayed body parts in his home especially a two decapitated head,shoulders,knees or toes. Geoff kept this body parts as either decoration or trophy. When Bertram found a letter on his dining table, Geoff taunts him in this letter by saying the story isn't finished yet and he will be back and also taunting him by saying that if he loves Hot Dog which ended up making Bertram implied that he murdered his wife's dog. Fortunately, he found the dog and he and his sidekick went home and promise he will capture and reveal the secret identity of Geoff the Murder someday.

One year later, after Bertram visited Dulsworth's mother's house for some issues regarding her son, Bertram then encounters his old nemesis, Geoff the Murderer who has been murdered a flower lady in a dark alley. Unfortunately for Bertram, Geoff runs away and ended up getting framed thanks to the murder. After escaping from prison and going faraway from London, Fortunately he was helped by Emelina who gave the photos of the murder incident proving that Bertram is innocent after all.

When Bertram and his sidekick returned to London, He then encounters his old nemesis, Geoff, in a pub for villains only playing cards with Marvo the Cat and Mr. Dulsworth and seemingly got "hypnotized" by Marvo. After got freed from Marvo's mind grip, Bertram tried to persuade Geoff to stop all these murderings in which Geoff replies that he was never hypnotize all along and just love to do killing things and wished that he could go down in the history as London's elusive serial killer and then escaped from the pub. Fortunately a giant crab catches him and his fate is left in thin air.

Freudian Excuse/Mitigating Factors

None. If you ask me about Geoff himself, he may be got hypnotized by Marvo the Cat but he does murders in his own volition. And Geoff also had a funny moment when he taunts Bertram if he likes hot dogs but that humor just punctuate his villainy even further since Bertram implies that he did something bad to his wife's dog (But luckily the dog got saved from the Trap Door in Geoff's house and the dog is alive and well) so yea.....No excuse there

Heinous Standard

Let's talk about the heinous standard here, There are two people that I could think of that committed heinous deeds onscreen. One is Lord Wretchedly who try to summon a demon from another world so that he could defeat that demon and rule the world,trapping his own wife in the attic due to interfering with him and the otherworldly stuff and try to use a man for his ritual but I don't think he counts and then there's Marvo the Cat who I believe could be a potential keeper since he imprisoned Mr. Dulsworth's lover and treat her as nothing but a singing canary so that he could get the deed for the soap factory and planning to use it so that he could rule and enslave all the people in London. However, Unlike Marvo or Lord Wretchedly, Geoff has a limited resources as he only use knife for murdering while Marvo had an ability to hypnotize people and Lord Wretchedly who tried to use Lovecraftian Magic to summon a demon. So Geoff, with all his limited resources, tries to be as bad as he can be and his methods of murdering people are really cruel

Final Verdict

Thoughts? Also, If he ended up qualify, I found a decent quote from him to consider and this is when Bertram and Geoff are in the final confrontation with each other:

edited 20th Nov '17 5:45:26 AM by ElfenLiedFan90

I will say I find it odd that one mere line is making Hela arguably one of the most debatable characters discussed this entire year.

King of Despair.

King of Despair, Geoff the Murderer, Jack, Ayria, Wrecker

Write-up for Michael Myers in Dead by Daylight since he got a majority vote to be accepted. 9 , 5 abstains and 3 .

• Dead by Daylight: Like his original counterpart in the movies, Michael Myers is equally as bad in this horror multiplayer game. One of the ten available killers present, Myers as a child has always been unnerving. Called the embodiment of evil, Myers only feels relax when he kills and his first victim was his sister at the age of six. He was sent to a mental asylum hopefully to either be cured or forgotten. Unfortunately, he escaped and went on a killing spree in his hometown, Haddonfield. Gaining contact with The Entity after this horrible tragedy was concluded, Myers willingly offered his services to The Entity and helped the Evil God claim innocent victims The Entity captured and then molding their souls to become derange killers. Always having a favorite "toy" among the crowd he hunts, Myers is nothing but a sadistic thing shaped like a human, that is equal to The Doctor in depravity and sheer cruelty in this game hunt and be hunted.,

edited 20th Nov '17 5:28:48 AM by TheImmortalAngelNewton

Well.....to King of Despair, and a to Geoff.

Here is another Wrecker sheet, this one better.

Minecraft Endventures: Wrecker takes part in the looting of the main city following the Enderdragon’s attack. Only interested in killing others, Wrecker is perfectly willing to let his incompetent general, Endreai, die in battle against a human so as to get his position, until he notices the human’s family. He takes them hostage and forces the human to stand down, before killing them, letting him live to suffer in grief. Leading efforts to kill escaping humans, Wrecker finds and attempts to kill Colin, Red and Porkey, but is driven off by Shadow. Recognising Shadow’s enderman form, he hides on the endermen's ship before it is hijacked by the heroes and tries to kill Red, but is foiled by Click-Clack and Shadow. Wrecker is promoted to general after Endreai is executed, and leads the endermen in an attack on the human rebels main base. Stealing flint and steel from a human whom he burns to death, Wrecker ignites TNT and destroys the human fortress, slaughtering the rebels afterwards. Confronting the same human whose family he had killed, Wrecker kills one of his men for refusing to give him his Endblade, and then taunts the leader as he handily defeats him. Before he kills him, he reveals his twisted philosophy, that by killing others he becomes stronger. A sadistic killer, Wrecker really stands out as a terrifying villain in an initially light-hearted animation.

Looking good. It's long and all, but Wrecker really does stand out as a twisted and horrifying antagonist in the series itself.

edited 20th Nov '17 7:23:13 AM by Vampireandthen

Ayria and the KING OF DESPAIR. With a name like that, I'm very surprised.

I've seen a couple of people say Odin's deeds and cover up screws with some stuff like heinousness and ambiguity, but Hela not only fully owns all the terrible stuff said about her, she disparages Odin for going soft. I don't see an issue with Odin's deeds in this case.

Ego was more interesting but his mitigating qualities are more clearly squashed by his actions, as has already been said. Fenris is more ambiguous, but it makes more sense to me to interpret it the negative way since I think it's more consistent with her character.

Also, Whitehead. That moment is enough.

edited 20th Nov '17 6:20:15 AM by PolarPhantom

Tyk: I'm not surprised. Hell, we had to cut one character (Paul Saetta) because of his last line ("L-L-Look after Mom.").

I know I said he likely didn't qualify, but I'm reconsidering Wizzro from Hyrule Warriors.

A quick look at the other villains in HW...

Ganondorf? Well, the Demon King is the Demon King, but if nothing else, he looks after his own. Zant and Ghirahim rightfully believe that he'll keep them alive.

Those two? Well, they don't have their crimes from their home games (and I don't know Skyward Sword), but here they seem genuinely loyal to Ganondorf.

Cia? A little closer, and I do have a bias against her because I hate yanderes, but ultimately she's under Ganondorf's sway and is restored to her original self.

Volga? Hahahahaha! He was an okay guy before Cia got to him, and he's driven not by malice, but a desire to fight.

Which leaves Wizzro.

Wizzro is Cia's least reliable minion. He's a coward and a traitor who abandons his current master as soon as someone tougher comes around; this is not out of any sense of loyalty, but just to save his own skin. While one could argue that Cia was controlling him, the only actual mental command Cia had for him was to not betray her. He mostly has leave to act as he wants as long as it doesn't go against Cia's commands; he brainwashes the Gorons into fighting for him, and psychologically torments the Hyrulean forces while disguised as Princess Zelda.

Wizzro really doesn't give a damn about anyone but himself. He won't sacrifice anything for anyone, and only assured victory will keep him on your side.

Any votes for Geoff? Would love to hear people opinions about him

Of coruse, Hela wouldn’t be the first CM who had an Out-of-Character Moment of kindness. Anyways, with the Hela the MCU got its 10th CM. Quiet impressive for a franchise that only 10 years old. And with new Punisher series I wouldn’t be surprised if we get another CM before the end of the year.

As for Geoff the Murderer: The other villains and makes it hard to tell whether or not Geoff stands out. So I'm abstaining.