Subpages cleanup: Complete Monster

No on Benardo as well. Neither characters hit the CM mark for me.

@ACW: To each their own then.

Anyway, for the One Piece monster page, I propose we use this image of Kuro◊ and cut the bottom panel.

For the Jo Jo monster page, we could use a quote about Cioccolata since apparently we're going to put a Dio image and I don't think we should have a quote and image both of the same monster.

I don't know how many people he's killed, but whenever he watches them die, he feels unimaginable bliss

edited 26th Sep '16 12:13:05 PM by Awesomekid42

@The Fox About Tenpenny, he is a prime example of a character that would be a CM in any work OTHER than Grand Theft Auto. Though he and his unit are rotten to the core and terrorize, murder and blackmail other gangs similar to a gang themselves, GTA is full of similar back-stabbing, selfish and over-the-top sadistic assholes void of any redeeming qualities and in-universe they are pretty much the equivalent of "normal" people considering the overall tone of the entire series.

edited 26th Sep '16 12:17:15 PM by Kookosbanaani

Fun fact: Rodrigo is played by Carlos Bernard, who played Tony Almeida on 24. The next one I'm bringing up named Finch was played by DB Woodside, who was Wayne Palmer on 24.

I'm now tentative on Jorges. Gui reminds me a bit of Frollo, though not nearly as nasty.

In addition to Damon Killian from The Running Man, were Chip Hazard from Small Soldiers and Frank Costello from The Departed ever discussed?

edited 26th Sep '16 1:38:13 PM by futuremoviewriter

Frank was, but not fully in depth.

Don't know about Costello, but I don't think Chip counts:

• Even Evil Has Standards: He's only programmed to destroy the Gorgonites, neither he or his squad attack any humans with lethal intent unless they are allied with said Gorgonites. When Alan first confronts him, he orders a retreat rather than directly attacking him despite the advantage in numbers. The exception being Nick Nitro, who stayed behind to try and stop Alan from freeing Archer.
• A Father to His Men: A rare villainous example. He does care for his troops, vowing to leave no man behind and later showing sadness at Nick Nitro's death.
• Punch-Clock Villain: He's just following his programming rather than being genuinely malicious. For the record, he thinks he's a hero. But let's be abundantly clear: MAJOR HAZARD IS NO HERO!

Once again. Search function. Use it.

Anyways, no, Chip Hazard in particular doesn't count in any way or form... programming and motivation issues aside, his reaction to Nick Nitro's death disqualifies him on the spot.

edited 26th Sep '16 2:07:55 PM by Scraggle

Costello doesn't go beyond standard mob boss villainy.

Damon Killian might be worth look at, though, but it's been a while since I saw The Running Man.

Bernardo and Jorge.

edited 26th Sep '16 2:07:56 PM by DemonDuckofDoom

I'll just abstain on these characters

So, are we going to have effort posts for Fang and M. Bison?

Man if I had played Street Fighter, I would have made the effort posts

edited 26th Sep '16 2:52:09 PM by G-Editor

If someone has sufficient knowledge of the series/characters and is willing to formally propose them? I don't see why not.

Bernando, and Jorge is even less heinous so no to him as well.

Damon Killian might actually count.

Killian might also be a Punch-Clock Villain, but we'll see what we'll see. He acts considerate towards the audience, but he's clearly playing to them to invest in the show and may not give a damn in reality. He's likely to turn on anyone at any point for convenience. When he's discussed more fully, I think there'll be a clear picture.

As awful as Costello is, yeah, he doesn't go beyond regular unsympathetic mobsters in movies and he also has a bit of a Pet the Dog moment in that he trusted Billy and left him all his recordings, including his conversations with Colin.

One could argue that Chip is still bloodthirsty and that any emotion he had towards Nick Nitro is subverted when he uses his chip to turn the Gwendy dolls into soldiers themselves. Then again, yeah it's all in his programming and he doesn't exactly have a choice. So yeah, he doesn't count.

edited 26th Sep '16 2:38:10 PM by futuremoviewriter

What happened to the discussion on the Teikun/Huang body double? There were four (Snakeky-man, username2527, Demon Duckof Doom, and myself), and one (Awesomekid 42).

for the body double

If I get to it, I hope to have 2 effortposts Saturday (Adam Grafton's SVU ep, and Bad Willy from the latest Scarecrow book).

Also, what was the decision on Gabriel?

Gabriel was voted a keeper. Someone still needs to craft his writeup as the OP hasn't posted here since they put the effortpost.

I've got sort of an odd proposal myself... this is from a Danish animated movie called Fuglekrigen i Kanøfleskoven - or War of the Birds, in English, from way back in my childhood. I remembered its villain out the blue the other day and I figure he might be worth a gander. The film itself is in Danish, and unsubbed copies of it are everywhere online, but a watch-through of the movie with some butchered subtitles and a plethora of research on the side make me comfortable enough to do an effortpost. Here's Fagin, the Big Bad of the movie.

Who is Fagin? What has he done?

Fagin is a sinister black vulture responsible for essentially all the misery that goes around in this film. He's a murderous thrill-killer who essentially holds control of the local woods, spreading, by the movie's own word, "terror and death" as he pleases and generally terrorizing all the animals within. Fagin's feared and dreaded by the animals of both the forest and the neighboring city for his random attack. Fagin opens up the movie doing just what he's known for, attacking the nest of two sparrows - the parents of protagonist Oliver - and killing both of them. Fagin simultaneously wipes out the nest and destroys all but one of the seven unborn eggs before flying off. This isn't an isolated occurrence, as Fagin - among many other implied kills - previously murdered the parents of fellow protagonist Olivia and the mother of two local mice Frederick and Ingolf. Case in point, Fagin's probably the most prolific murderer of parents since Disney. The surviving egg hatches into Oliver, who's taken into the care of a bluebird named Betty and an owl named Walter.

Olivia, Oliver, Frederick and Ingolf eventually come together. All four of them have a rightful grudge against Fagin and swear to eventually rid the woods of him. Fagin's next approach is signaled by a nameless white dove - who she is, I'll get to below - who swoops down from the skies one otherwise playful day to try and kill Olivia and Oliver. Olivia and Oliver flee to the safety of a can; Fagin mockingly calls them "adorable" before simply trying to crush them to death within the can itself. Thankfully, Fagin's scared off by the timely arrival of a man and his curious dog. Now, as for who the Dove is... the Dove, shrouded in rumor around the woods, is actually Fagin's slave. Fagin's incredibly abusive to her, slicing a deep, bloody gash in her chest during one of the scenes they share together for a chuckle. Fagin's abuse has shaped the Dove into a nervous, stuttering wreck.

Word begins to spread around the city and the woods about Oliver's growing effort to stop Fagin, culminating in Oliver and his friends setting a trap for him. Fagin's quick to stumble across the trap and confronts Oliver. Oliver angrily confronts Fagin on his parents. Fagin cruelly dismisses the matter and tries to kill his friends. Fagin knocks Oliver out in his attempt to save them, and Fagin moves in for the kill. Before he can, however, Betty arrives just in time to gorily tear out Fagin's eye. Enraged and half-blind, Fagin pursues Betty up to the clouds, away from everyone else, and kills her.

Though tragedy strikes the woods, Oliver's effort to stop Fagin is only reinforced. Winter comes, life continues, and eventually, the confrontation comes to a head. Fagin returns to avenge his eye in a snow-covered clearing and once again tries to kill Oliver and his friends. Fagin chases Oliver through the skies whilst his friends set a massive fire to a stack of hay below them. Oliver tries in vain to draw Fagin into the flame, and before any real progress can be made, Fagin spitefully swipes up Olivia instead and tries to fly off with her, cackling. Oliver flies after him, frees Olivia, and ends up captured by a furious Fagin himself. By this point, however, the Dove - who's been observing everything up to this point - finally stands up for herself and turns on Fagin, forcefully tugging him out of the air and into the fire. Fagin begins to tear into the Dove, but the fire catches onto his wing and sets him ablaze, sending both the Dove and a screaming Fagin to their fiery demise.

Any mitigating factors?

Yes, the tone of the film is rather light-hearted and even incredibly crude at times (I blame Danish Values Dissonance). Fagin is not. The comedy dies whenever he enters the scene and every moment of his onscreen is him either trying to kill children or killing other characters. He's not just a natural predator, either, as he's quickly established as a murderous sadist who kills other animals mainly for the fun of it. So, all in all, not much to talk about here.

Conclusion?

He's a keeper, I'd wager.

Thoughts?

edited 25th Feb '17 12:19:18 AM by Scraggle

Last I checked, most everyone voted on him, but the user who effortposted him disappeared and never did the writeup.

edited 26th Sep '16 4:21:24 PM by Tyk5919

Fagin

Fagin

So if the user isn't going to do the write up who is?

edited 26th Sep '16 4:28:13 PM by G-Editor

Fagin (Fagin and Oliver? CAN'T be a coincidence).
Someone PM the troper who did the effortpost. That usually works.

edited 26th Sep '16 4:29:55 PM by ACW

I'm going to say yes to Fagin.

Also, when is Major Taussig's entry being added to the main page? I touched up his entry a bit on the YMMV page.

edited 26th Sep '16 4:30:51 PM by Clown-Face

Taussig's been at Film F To O since, like, the beginning.
I just requested adding the re-touched-up entry.

edited 26th Sep '16 4:38:01 PM by ACW

Fagin BTW. Another one of those films, eh?

edited 26th Sep '16 4:39:50 PM by Tyk5919