Subpages cleanup: Complete Monster

Well, I'll hold of this thread until I can watch Avengers 2 myself.

And to my credit, I did hold off on the Danganronpa 2 discussion, so that must count for something.

Hello, this a request about a character who already is considered a complete monster and has an article. Specifically Jev, from Star Trek: TNG, episode Violations.

Its just when reading over the article, I noticed it doesn't mention the fact that Troi and the others were just the latest in a very long line of assaults, which the crew found out from checking the records, showing he had been Mind Raping people and leaving them in Coma's for a long time now (they found records on several different planets, and cases of multiple other victims).

As such I feel this should be added to the information.

Well, it does mention he's a serial mind rapist, but if you wanna add something, post the edited entry here for us to look at.

I've never played Prince of Persia, so I wouldn't know anything beyond what the page here has. You might want to ask Lighty, he's played many games and watched many anime and cartoons so he'd likely know. It says his personality is a lot less generic and he does some horrible things in the third game.

edited 26th Apr '15 3:36:39 PM by Klavice

I found a teddy bear on Creepypasta that I don't want to give to my kids...if I had any.

http://creepypasta.wikia.com/wiki/The_Story_of_Teddy

@ MGD 107, fair enough, that stuff was off screen, but I suppose it fits a pattern for Jev that proves he is truly a serial mind rapist and that he is targeting people on the Enterprise because they are within striking distance, rather then because they are heroes. So we could mention it jut to establish a pattern. I do wonder if we should pothole "Rape Is A Special Kindof Evil" in regards to his actions towards Troi, because while he is not assaulting her physically, he is manipulating her memories so that he is raping her, that seems just as bad in me. I guess we could rewrite a bit, maybe add some pot holes.

Also I will say yes to Furumizu.

In the Digimon Adventure fanfic The Teacher Of All Things, Myotismon is even worse than he was in canon. He outright tortures Tai, murders his subordinates for no reason at all, not even with using failure as an excuse, and even kills at least half a dozen humans just to save his own skin. Myotismon expresses no remorse, no compassion for anyone and even kills Demi Devimon, the last and most loyal of his followers, just to resurrect himself as Malo Myotismon, his final form. Everything he did in canon is still intact and at one point he tells Angewomon to her face that he's going to break her 6 year old partner's mind just to get revenge on the Angel. He's the worst kind of digital scum and far, far worse than even the Dark Masters.

Well none of that seems inconceivable or OOC for canon Myotismon. Just taking his evilness Up To Eleven.

One final guy I'll propose shortly...Ra from the original Stargate film

Isn't he sort of generic bad-guy?

Oh, hardly. Ra has quite the personality. And the ego.

And the fact he plans to send a nuclear bomb to earth with its power magnified a thousand fold out of spite they overthrew his reign over them millennia ago.

Hmmm... I suppose you could make a case for him, but it would probably have to be taken in isolation continuity-wise—which is of course how it started, while the original producers still talk about doing more movies based on the original. I mean, if the spinoff series are taken into account, Anubis and RepliCarter roll right past him in the heinous department.

Lighty, I've added Ra and the Vizier to the to-do list. Are there any I should remove from the list?

Ok, time to make an official-looking one for Red from AsteroidQuest (previous here and there)

Who he is:

A thuggish mafia enforcer. Common murderer, thug and rapist. Partisan of violence as first resort.

What he does on-screen:

When "collecting" rent at some woman's, his first suggestion is that she sell her body to him in exchange for keeping the flat another month. Brags about having beaten up and raped Rokoa, sexually harasses Jessica to the point that she ends up sleeping at Itcher's; then attempts to rape her there (and with premeditation: he jams communications and comes with lockpicking tools to get past the door).

At the climax of the arc, captures Itcher and Jessica and pulls The Scarpia Ultimatum on her (with hints that he plans to kill them both anyway). Then pulls a gun on Rokoa and attempts to rape her at gunpoint, at which point she attacks.

How others view it:

Despite living among mobsters on a Wretched Hive, all of his colleagues are disgusted by his behavior. While they are no strangers to shootouts, they draw the line at rape. The only ones who don't react negatively to it are members of an Always Chaotic Evil species of The Sociopath (while he's not a member of said species).

Taken seriously?

Treated as a dead serious threat, especially when attacking Jessica. He's the only character in the "modern" asteroidverse to get a Make Sure He's Dead treatment.

Redeeming qualities or freudian excuse

None whatsoever is even hinted at.

edited 27th Apr '15 8:03:38 AM by Medinoc

I'm leaning towards a for Red, but eh. Besides rape and attempted rape, it doesn't sound like he does anything else heinous in the roleplay.

You also mentioned that Red is part of a Wretched Hive. Exactly how wretched is it? If Red is the only one who rapes, murders, and commits acts of violence at his own free will, then yes, . However, if a majority of the characters are criminals, or if a majority of the villains all commit nasty acts on the same scale, then I don't think he counts. Unless all of the villains in the roleplay are a CM for various different reasons...

So after tonights Gotham, the Ogre is dead, so on with the effort post.

Who is the Ogre ? What Does He Do ?

He's pretty much Christian Grey without the authors protective adortion. But seriously, his real name is Jason Skolimski, and he's a serial killer who targets women. Presenting himself as a tall dark handsome stranger, he picks attractive women out in his search for a "soul mate". What he does is take them back to his pad, shows them is chamber full of weapons and personal instruments, where he tortures and abuses his victims until they pretty much become submissive 50's housewives, and when they don't meet his impossible standards, he has them killed and starts the cycle again. By the time of the series, he has killed at least eleven women. He avoided being revealed to the public, because he'd go after the loved ones of any cop who went after him. When Jim Gordon is put on his case, and reveals the Ogre's killings to the public, he targets Gordon's ex girlfriend Barbara. Once he shows Barbara his room, he begins torturing her until he gets the idea to kill Barbara's parents. He takes Barbara to her parents house and kills her parents in front of her. When Jim and his partner Harvey Bullock reach the house, the Ogre holds Barbara at knifepoint, but is shot in the head by Bullock.

Redeeming Qualities or Freudian Excuse ?

When Jason was born, he had a facial deformity, and tried to win the approval of the woman he thought was his mother. His stepmother tells Jason that no one could love him. As of the series, Jason had plastic surgery to deal with the deformity. As for redeeming qualities, his "love" for his girlfriends/victims isn't real, but controlling, possessive and transparent. His relationship with his father is unclear, their only interaction amounts to having his father help hide a body.

That guy was on Gotham?

I'm going to say "no" on him. For all that he's a nasty piece of work, he's on Gotham, which has a pretty damn high heinous standard. The Penguin, who is one of the show's more sympathetic villains, has ratcheted up a similar bodycount, and it didn't take him years to do so—just a matter of a couple of weeks. With that in mind, I'm saying no.

I'll present Ra.

Who Is He?

Ra is, seemingly, the Egyptian god of the Sun, ruler of the Planet Abydos and its people. It is revealed Ra is a member of a race of Sufficiently Advanced Aliens. Originally, Ra was lost in space, trapped on earth and dying when a curious young man investigated his ship. Ra took the boy and possessed him. With his power and technology, Ra enslaved the humans and forced them to become his workers and slaves, building monuments to his magnificence and focusing on mining the minerals that powers his technology. Using the Stargate, Ra transported many humans to Abydos to have them work there for him.

Eventually, the human rose up and Ra was overthrown. Defeated, he fled to Abydos, where the humans buried the Stargate and Ra faded into legend. On Abydos, he would rule unchallenged under a group of soldiers and doctor Daniel Jackson would go through the Stargate to Abydos.

It's not long before they're discovered by Ra and his forces. Initially, the humans are believed to be emissaries by the Abydos natives. Ra had long ago outlawed literacy to make humans forget their origin. However, once he learns the Stargate is active, Ra wishes to prevent any challenge...as well as punish earth for defying him so long ago.

What Does He Do?

To punish the people of Abydos for their 'blasphemy' in believing in Daniel, Ra sends his forces out to basically blitz the hell out of civilians, killing many. People are worked to near death and forced to toil endlessly. Ra is no better to his own minions, brutally and agonizingly killing one when he uses him as a scapegoat for his failure.

Ra decides to use Daniel to nip rebellion in the bud and demands he murder his own friends who are held hostage and announce Ra himself is the only TRUE God. Should Daniel refuse, Ra declares he will kill Daniel and every human on Abydos who has ever seen him because "there can be only ONE Ra!"

Oh, remember I mentioned Ra had a real chip on his shoulder about Earth? Well, that's...kinda a big blow to his ego. The head of the soldiers, Colonel O'Neil, was sent with a nuke, just in case they had to destroy the hell out of the place. Ra decides he's going to send the nuke back. With a mineral of his own to enhance its destructive power to wipe out earth.

Any other Mitigating Features?

Well, I'm taking the movie entirely on its own. The show was a spinoff later, but there are a bunch of differences in the original to the show, so I don't see a reason not to treat them as separate. Ra has no sympathetic qualities. He's a megalomaniac tyrant with an attempted bodycount in the billions.

Ra.

I also forogt to mention: Ra's no Generic Doomsday Villain. he is very animated and has a clear personality. In his 'Ra' guise, addressing humans, he wears an expressionless pharaoh-like mask, but under it, he appears to be a beautiful young man who emotes like crazy.

A definite to The Ogre. What really sets him apart from the other villains is the fact that he does everything for sadistic glee; not greed, revenge, power, or any other motive presented on the show up until this point. His evil is an end in of itself, and combined with the utter lack of any redeeming qualities, I really feel it's no contest.

Doing it for "sadistic glee" does not, in point of fact, matter much. Motive matters far less than actual bodycount, and what he's done is not particularly heinous by the standards of the story. Again, the Penguin, who is one of the show's more sympathetic villains, has killed as many people, without being expected to lose audience sympathy.

I would also question that he does do it out of "sadistic glee". The guy's attempting to force the women he captures into meeting his expectation of the perfect woman. That's still godawful, but it isn't For the Evulz. It's not "evil as an end in itself," despite what you've claimed there; he's got a reason, and its not solely to make the world a lousier place.

edited 27th Apr '15 8:05:49 PM by AmbarSonofDeshar

Ra I guess.

I'll agree with Ambar on Ogre and give a . I don't watch Gotham but if we're only in the first season and he's already tied with at least one other villain in terms of body count I can't seem him remaining distinct as the show goes on.