The Law Enforcement Officer Thread

@M84: North Korea has...very little ground to stand on when they complain about anything the US does.

Its simply distraction by what aboutism.

That's the thing...I almost think they meant that as a compliment. But if not...hypocrisy or not, it's still a case of Dumbass Has a Point. Or maybe Villain Has a Point.

Yeah it is bullshit Whataboutism and an attempt to make the USA seem Not So Different from N. Korea. But dammit we shouldn't be making it easier for them to do that.

edited 5th Mar '17 5:28:59 PM by M84

Terrorism, in the capital "T" international sense, needs to be divorced from the puny domestic terrorism. Those pathetic left wing hate groups and white milita types are easily stopped by the FBI, ATF and those local law enforcement types.

So as long as more Oklahoma City bombings don't occur...?

Legally a "terrorism" designation makes it easier to bypass legal procedures and rally public support for actions against groups/individuals (in the USA. Don't know about elsewhere) or, you know, the aforementioned bypassing of ordinary criminal procedures.
From your idea, it'd be better to split the groups into well, murderers and accessories thereof albeit with political motives (AQ, most domestic extremists) and insurgents/warlord armies that the UN/any given state can feel no guilt whatsoever in bringing the full force of international retribution against (Daesh).
Reason: In short, better to make these groups as mundane as possible in the eyes of the public. ^note Despite all logic, in the US at least, many have projected all their worst fears onto lone/small groups of murderers (or relatively large groups of murderers that gained ground against an "army" in name only). From the beginning I would have preferred the US not to make AQ and others into great, evil boogeymen, because then you get people who honestly believe a Daesh army could be crossing the Atlantic and vote based on that. Panic, rather fulfills the "terror" objective.

We have crimes done under "terrorist intent":

1. Intent to cause terror in the civilian population

2. Without right forcing a government or any part of it or an international organisation (EU, UN etc.) to do, tolerate or not do something

3. Without right toppling/damaging/threatening the legal structures, stability or cause particularly severe damage to the national economy or structures of society

4. Cause particularly severe damage to an international organisation, it's economy or other structures

So you can have things like a "murder with terrorist intent". A murder specifically meant to do one or all of the above. It barely gets used unless a link to a terrorist organisation or something similar is found.

edited 6th Mar '17 7:13:13 AM by TerminusEst

Thing is, if you don't have convenient bogeymen, how do you justify the $100 billion+ spent every year on anti-bogeyman measures? There's a lot of money to be made in counter terrorism.

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edited 6th Mar '17 7:22:55 PM by FluffyMcChicken

McVeigh and Nicholas were two losers who got access to explosives. McVeigh was an SF washout. And the Olympics Park Bomber was an even bigger loser. No organized transnational group, no movement of money across borders and no state sponsors. Just three losers the world is better off without.

The lonewolf terrorists are a bit a a grey area - those "inspired" by ISIS / Al Queda / other loonies are not directly aided. So far they are an issue of law enforcement only.

Although one of AQ"s biggest thinkers did get a hellfire sendoff to the next world.

It's not just the "Christian Camps" - there were "boot camps", "wilderness encounters" and the dreaded "treatment centers" that were just hell houses.

Where law enforcement comes in - the juvie court system didn't do the troubled youth any favors. Google the "Cash for Kids" scandal for instance.

Of course the opposite can happen - New Mexico had the Springer "reform school" other wise known as "Club Springer" - two NM state troopers were in charge of 50 boys at one time. That was a recipe for reform.

edited 6th Mar '17 9:02:09 PM by TairaMai

Mc Veigh and Nicolas were partly product of the Militia Movement and its nuttery. Both were conspiracy nuts. Both were part of the wave of nuttier Waco conspiracy groups.

That wave broke after the "Y2K" flash in the pan and 9/11. The FBI and ATF turned the worst offenders inside out while the others hung themselves by their own mouths.

Google the Michigan Militia and quotes from their leader - it's a special kind of stupid.

Don't look too long tho, it's all the fat "I could have joined the Army/Marines/SEALs" boys and all the wankers who thing the Turner Diaries is a documentary....Tuffle they'll give you "Forrest Whittaker Eye"....

edited 7th Mar '17 10:22:49 PM by TairaMai

Oh I already know about them. Met several when I lived in Texas.

Amazingly there was a huge concentration on the Baylor U campus./sarcasm

Supposedly Texas has its own brand of special with the "Republic of Texas" crowd, that is the folks who believe the Republic of Texas is the only legitimate government of Texas and thus the state and federal rules don't apply (incidentally, this would also mean they don't pay for things like taxes and car registration, but I'm sure that's just a coincidence)

Was at the courthouse in Lancaster paying a fine when I overheard a couple of LPD cops chatting with a State Trooper about these guys, and evidently the Trooper had pulled over a few who even had Republic of Texas license plates and everything.

No driver's license, naturally.

They are basically Texas Specific "Freeman" ass hats. Met more than a few of those to.

Gotta be honest, training for the police admission tests ain't easy.

The New Mexico State Police PT test is harder than the USMC. On the flip side, a small down in southern NM was famous because their police chief couldn't pass their PT test - 30 pushups/situps and a 1.5 mile run in 18 minutes.

I was living in Jacksonville when I looked up the JSO (Jacksonville Sheriff's Office), they like a 4 year degree, but they'll accept at least five years of employment with an associates degree.

I have to do that in 12 minutes. So far I've pushed my time to 11 minutes and 33 seconds.

But hey I've practically lost most of the fat I got from college training for the admission test.

edited 11th Mar '17 11:10:15 AM by AngelusNox

Good luck Angelus.

I have almost a year to get ready. By then if I keep up with the training I've been doing the past 4 months I'll be able do run that in 10 minutes or less and do the other physical requirements seamlessly.

However studying military and civil criminal codes is being a bit painful, not because it is hard to understand, but because how mind numbing extensive it is.

Though that isn't the goal, having a regular exercise scheme is doing wonders on my mood and looks, that that they weren't bad but jumping from 1800m in 12 minutes to 2400 in less than 12 really shapes anyone up.

Seconded, godspeed Angelus Nox.

* looks at midsection *

Yeah, regular PT does wonders for the bod....

* takes old lady pills *

edited 11th Mar '17 2:06:43 PM by TairaMai

A school shooting in Grasse started in France. Culprit is a student who is known, but keeps to himself.

No one died, only a few suffered injuries.

He brought small arms, including training grenades.

New Zealand police reports that officers stationed at Auckland International shot dead a sniffer K9 when it went wild and ran to the runway, forcing flights to be cancelled or moved.

"Went wild"? A trained dog doesn't just go off pop for giggles: virus or dog-log thought they were in the right. If virus or temporal lobe epilepsy... somebody should have picked symptoms up before this, so somebody effed up. If not, either the training was shoddy, somebody else baited the dog or people misinterpreted the intent of the poor hound. -_-

In addition: somebody needs to check the leads or cages.

It just came out of NZ, so not much details yet.