Follow TV Tropes

Following

The Law Enforcement Officer Thread

Go To

Ok it was mentioned there is not a thread for Law Enforcement Officers (LEO for short)and other similar jobs for discussion.

This is for discussing the actual jobs, ranks, training, culture, relations to military bodies that exist, and any other variety of topics that can arise pertaining to the World of Policing.

TobiasDrake Queen of Good Things, Honest (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
Queen of Good Things, Honest
#3626: Aug 11th 2015 at 8:32:10 AM

Getting rid of a police department isn't a particularly feasible solution. They would need to restaff it pretty quickly, which is a difficult task in a place with so much civil unrest - people like to combat oppression with more oppression.

edited 11th Aug '15 8:34:14 AM by TobiasDrake

My Tumblr. Currently liveblogging Haruhi Suzumiya and revisiting Danganronpa V3.
Greenmantle V from Greater Wessex, Britannia Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Hiding
V
#3627: Aug 11th 2015 at 9:03:51 AM

[up] Or the National Guard would have to take over Policing Duties for a few years...

Keep Rolling On
tclittle Professional Forum Ninja from Somewhere Down in Texas Since: Apr, 2010
FluffyMcChicken My Hair Provides Affordable Healthcare from where the floating lights gleam Since: Jun, 2014 Relationship Status: In another castle
My Hair Provides Affordable Healthcare
#3629: Aug 11th 2015 at 1:51:52 PM

Sheriffs are asking for armored trucks to wage war on marijuana. Yes, really.

If you're going to wage war on drugs, you need to be outfitted like a warrior.

That seems to be the rationale behind hundreds of police department requests for armored trucks submitted to the Pentagon between 2012 and 2014. The requests, unearthed in a FOIA request by Mother Jones magazine, shed light on how the war on drugs has directly contributed to the militarization of local police forces in recent years.

Police departments can request surplus military gear from the Pentagon through the Department of Defense's 1033 program, which doles out hundreds of millions of dollars in military goods to cops each year. The equipment includes everything from underwear to office equipment to armored combat vehicles. After Ferguson, when images of local cops training assault rifles on peaceful protestors from atop armored trucks flooded the airwaves, the program has come under increasing scrutiny.

The Mother Jones investigation focuses on requests for armored combat vehicles, arguably the most iconic piece of police military equipment in the post-Ferguson era. Among the requests Mother Jones obtained, the most frequently-cited rationale for needing an armored vehicle was drugs: "Fully a quarter of the 465 requests projected using the vehicles for drug enforcement," the investigation found. By contrast, police departments rarely cited hostage situations, terrorist attacks or armed gunmen as rationale for obtaining the trucks.

At least seven departments explicitly cited marijuana in their vehicle requests, tying pot with methamphetamines for the drug that shows up most often in the documents. In 2012, Sheriff Tom Bosenko of Shasta County, Calif., requested two armored tactical vehicles to be "used during apprehension of suspects in both Marijuana eradications and during high risk search warrant service for drug offenders."

In 2013, the Sheriff of Sumter County, Fl., requested one armored vehicle partly because his office had located "several marijuana grows both indoors and outdoors" in Sumter County. Here's how other departments wanted to wage war on pot from the gun turret of an armored truck:

[1]

Clearwater County, Idaho, has a population of fewer than 10,000 people. It seems like overkill to keep an armored truck on hand for the purpose of "marijuana eradication." This is especially true when you consider that in recent years, the number of marijuana grow sites discovered in the entire state of Idaho can be counted on one hand.

But overkill has been part of the drug war since Day 1. Experts largely agree that the harms inflicted by the way we wage the war on drugs — incarceration, police killings, gangs fighting over black market turf — far outweigh the costs to society of drug use itself. The Obama administration has been smartly dialing back the rhetoric and policies of the drug war.

Earlier this year, the administration even started limiting the types of military equipment that police departments can request through the Pentagon's 1033 program. But notably, armored vehicles are still available. So for the time being at least, your local police department can still request what amounts to a tank to deal with a marijuana plot.

majoraoftime Since: Jun, 2009
#3630: Aug 11th 2015 at 2:08:18 PM

Of course. You definitely need an armoured car to deal with the insidious threat of a dude with a grow-op in his basement.

edited 11th Aug '15 2:08:42 PM by majoraoftime

AngelusNox The law in the night from somewhere around nothing Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
The law in the night
#3631: Aug 11th 2015 at 2:29:26 PM

[up][up]Oh if it were not those laughing stoners mistaking cop cars for doughnuts this wouldn't happen.

Inter arma enim silent leges
carbon-mantis Collector Of Fine Oddities from Trumpland Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Married to my murderer
Collector Of Fine Oddities
#3632: Aug 11th 2015 at 5:17:55 PM

I can see needing stuff like that in some rural areas of states like Kentucky and NC. The larger growers like to rig homemade bombs and bladed traps around their plots in remote forested areas. I can recall one grower too close for comfort to my home building some makeshift concrete pill boxes stocked with ammo around his place.

AFP Since: Mar, 2010
#3633: Aug 11th 2015 at 5:36:35 PM

Well, if they aren't equipped with the latest in tactical gear and armored vehicles, they might find themselves being illegally recorded stealing from a marijuana dispensary due to not noticing a surveillance camera. Much better to just level the place with a 25mm Bushmaster rather than risk it.

Ominae (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#3634: Aug 11th 2015 at 7:40:06 PM

@Tobias

- I doubt if the protestors will listen to that kind of reason.

I saw videos of tactical-equipped men called Oath Keepers IIRC going around Ferguson. Although the recent shooting there is related to known gang violence.

Aprilla Since: Aug, 2010
#3635: Aug 11th 2015 at 7:51:55 PM

I doubt if the protestors will listen to that kind of reason.

With all due respect, this is an unnecessary generalization. While some of the more heated rhetoric has included a total removal of our nation's police presence, the consensus among BLM and related activist groups is that law enforcement needs greater accountability in their activities as well as a stronger relationship with the communities they protect. Numerous sources have noted that police misconduct is common in communities where there is great wealth disparity, segregation and police officers not living in the neighborhoods they patrol.

Ominae (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#3636: Aug 11th 2015 at 7:57:30 PM

I'll agree on that account for more accountability. But the extreme part either needs to be moderated in some way so that their view isn't shared.

Just me few cents.

Aprilla Since: Aug, 2010
#3637: Aug 11th 2015 at 8:02:41 PM

True, but they're doing what they can.

The situation isn't being helped by channers and other internet agitation groups with sockpuppets pretending to be anti-white gangsters. Some of them are pretending to be racist cops so they can bait BLM protestors. Just another day on the web.

Ominae (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#3638: Aug 11th 2015 at 8:04:12 PM

I found more reports of Oath Keepers going around with assault rifles. Some analysts have noted their agenda to be very anti-government in term of group characters.

Aprilla Since: Aug, 2010
#3639: Aug 11th 2015 at 8:10:46 PM

Yeah, we were chatting about that in other threads. I'm not too comfortable with their idea, to say the least. Some of my law enforcement colleagues have been grumbling about it quite a bit.

Ominae (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#3640: Aug 11th 2015 at 8:14:07 PM

I heard.

They're doing plainclothes after much talking. Although I saw a CNN report of a protestor doing an Armor-Piercing Question on his right to freely protest.

The OK militiamen says it's not his place to comment like it meant nothing to him.

BlueNinja0 The Mod with the Migraine from Taking a left at Albuquerque Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The Mod with the Migraine
#3641: Aug 11th 2015 at 10:34:11 PM

Waller County Sheriff Glenn Smith has been video taped telling a Houston Methodist pastor protesting the apparent suicide of Sandra Blake in the Waller County jail to "go back to the church of Satan you run."
I saw this on Facebooknote  and my first thought (and comment) was "Has anyone let the Church of Satan know they're needed at a protest? So that at least he's accurate?"
You definitely need an armoured car to deal with the insidious threat of a dude with a grow-op in his basement.
Well, what else are you going to use to raze the neighborhood to the ground and prevent it from spreading?
the consensus among BLM and related activist groups is that law enforcement needs greater accountability in their activities
Along with plenty of non-related activist groups.
as well as a stronger relationship with the communities they protect.
What? You want cops to make friends with minorities in poor neighborhoods? What kind of hippie commune do you think we're living in?

That’s the epitome of privilege right there, not considering armed nazis a threat to your life. - Silasw
Aprilla Since: Aug, 2010
#3642: Aug 11th 2015 at 10:56:10 PM

Well, like I've said (and like many certified law enforcement officers have observed in their own experiences), when you integrate with the community and build rapport in the neighborhoods, you get great intel on criminal activity because the people don't fear you and disrespect you as much. You see the faces, you hear the names, and they start addressing you on a first-name basis. They request you because they know you'll treat them right, even if they're getting arrested for something they've actually done wrong.

People talk, and everyone comes to know who the good officers are just like they come to know the names and faces of the officers who will beat you and illegally seize your property.

The police should be part of the community, not just the guards of the community.

Greenmantle V from Greater Wessex, Britannia Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Hiding
V
#3643: Aug 11th 2015 at 11:42:36 PM

[up][up]

What? You want cops to make friends with minorities in poor neighborhoods? What kind of hippie commune do you think we're living in?

Would you prefer no Police at all?

Keep Rolling On
TuefelHundenIV Night Clerk of the Apacalypse. from Doomsday Facility Corner Store. Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
Night Clerk of the Apacalypse.
#3644: Aug 11th 2015 at 11:46:41 PM

Your guys sarcasm meters are apparently broken.

Who watches the watchmen?
BlueNinja0 The Mod with the Migraine from Taking a left at Albuquerque Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The Mod with the Migraine
Aprilla Since: Aug, 2010
#3646: Aug 12th 2015 at 12:37:51 AM

Yes, I know he was being sarcastic. Still wanted to air out my thoughts.

edited 12th Aug '15 12:39:54 AM by Aprilla

Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#3647: Aug 12th 2015 at 1:39:50 AM

[up][up] Isn't your neighbourhood currently a floating death city?

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
BlueNinja0 The Mod with the Migraine from Taking a left at Albuquerque Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The Mod with the Migraine
#3648: Aug 12th 2015 at 2:23:50 AM

[up] Well, technically. But I was referring to where my family lives, where I spent the last two years living; our neighborhood is about 200 houses, of which at least 12 are law enforcementnote , but aside from trying to fundraise for cub scouts we haven't spoken to them.

That’s the epitome of privilege right there, not considering armed nazis a threat to your life. - Silasw
BlueNinja0 The Mod with the Migraine from Taking a left at Albuquerque Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The Mod with the Migraine
#3649: Aug 12th 2015 at 5:36:35 AM

Apparently there's a $1000/hour psychologist who has been advising police for years to shoot first, ask questions never. He has an entire company built upon this.

His conclusions are consistent: The officer acted appropriately, even when shooting an unarmed person. Even when shooting someone in the back. Even when witness testimony, forensic evidence or video footage contradicts the officer’s story. He has appeared as an expert witness in criminal trials, civil cases and disciplinary hearings, and before grand juries, where such testimony is given in secret and goes unchallenged. In addition, his company, the Force Science Institute, has trained tens of thousands of police officers on how to think differently about police shootings that might appear excessive.

A former Minnesota State professor, he says his testimony and training are based on hard science, but his research has been roundly criticized by experts. An editor for The American Journal of Psychology called his work “pseudoscience.” The Justice Department denounced his findings as “lacking in both foundation and reliability.” Civil rights lawyers say he is selling dangerous ideas.

If the science is there, Dr. Lewinski said, he does not shy away from offering opinions in controversial cases. He said he was working on behalf of one of two Albuquerque officers who face murder charges in last year’s shooting death of a mentally ill homeless man. He has testified in many racially charged cases involving white officers who shot black suspects, such as the 2009 case in which a Bay Area transit officer shot and killed Oscar Grant, an unarmed black man, at close range.

Dr. Lewinski said he was not trying to explain away every shooting. But when he testifies, it is almost always in defense of police shootings. Officers are his target audience — he publishes a newsletter on police use of force that he says has nearly one million subscribers — and his research was devised for them. “The science is based on trying to keep officers safe,” he said. - New York Times article

Dr. Lewinski is basically training police to shoot before making a full assessment of the true threat. Because of this philosophy, it leans on the implicit bias within each and every officer. It's why officers in New York fired 41 shots at Amadou Diallo when he was pulling out his wallet. It's why Officer Dante Servin blew Rekia Boyd's head off when he saw her boyfriend pull out a cell phone.

It's why police officers killed 123 people in July, a high for 2015.

It's despicable and the more it happens, the richer Dr. Lewinski gets. I had always suspected some type of profit motive was behind the wholesale killing of Americans by police. Now we don't need to speculate. After all, it's the job for the Force Science Institute to keep this practice growing. - Alternet article

That’s the epitome of privilege right there, not considering armed nazis a threat to your life. - Silasw
TuefelHundenIV Night Clerk of the Apacalypse. from Doomsday Facility Corner Store. Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
Night Clerk of the Apacalypse.
#3650: Aug 12th 2015 at 7:41:53 AM

Really? This guy needs to sit in a prison with some of the results of that kind of thinking.

Who watches the watchmen?

Total posts: 8,206
Top