Ok it was mentioned there is not a thread for Law Enforcement Officers (LEO for short)and other similar jobs for discussion.
This is for discussing the actual jobs, ranks, training, culture, relations to military bodies that exist, and any other variety of topics that can arise pertaining to the World of Policing.
Or the National Guard would have to take over Policing Duties for a few years...
Keep Rolling OnSheriffs are asking for armored trucks to wage war on marijuana. Yes, really.
That seems to be the rationale behind hundreds of police department requests for armored trucks submitted to the Pentagon between 2012 and 2014. The requests, unearthed in a FOIA request by Mother Jones magazine, shed light on how the war on drugs has directly contributed to the militarization of local police forces in recent years.
Police departments can request surplus military gear from the Pentagon through the Department of Defense's 1033 program, which doles out hundreds of millions of dollars in military goods to cops each year. The equipment includes everything from underwear to office equipment to armored combat vehicles. After Ferguson, when images of local cops training assault rifles on peaceful protestors from atop armored trucks flooded the airwaves, the program has come under increasing scrutiny.
The Mother Jones investigation focuses on requests for armored combat vehicles, arguably the most iconic piece of police military equipment in the post-Ferguson era. Among the requests Mother Jones obtained, the most frequently-cited rationale for needing an armored vehicle was drugs: "Fully a quarter of the 465 requests projected using the vehicles for drug enforcement," the investigation found. By contrast, police departments rarely cited hostage situations, terrorist attacks or armed gunmen as rationale for obtaining the trucks.
At least seven departments explicitly cited marijuana in their vehicle requests, tying pot with methamphetamines for the drug that shows up most often in the documents. In 2012, Sheriff Tom Bosenko of Shasta County, Calif., requested two armored tactical vehicles to be "used during apprehension of suspects in both Marijuana eradications and during high risk search warrant service for drug offenders."
In 2013, the Sheriff of Sumter County, Fl., requested one armored vehicle partly because his office had located "several marijuana grows both indoors and outdoors" in Sumter County. Here's how other departments wanted to wage war on pot from the gun turret of an armored truck:
Clearwater County, Idaho, has a population of fewer than 10,000 people. It seems like overkill to keep an armored truck on hand for the purpose of "marijuana eradication." This is especially true when you consider that in recent years, the number of marijuana grow sites discovered in the entire state of Idaho can be counted on one hand.
But overkill has been part of the drug war since Day 1. Experts largely agree that the harms inflicted by the way we wage the war on drugs — incarceration, police killings, gangs fighting over black market turf — far outweigh the costs to society of drug use itself. The Obama administration has been smartly dialing back the rhetoric and policies of the drug war.
Earlier this year, the administration even started limiting the types of military equipment that police departments can request through the Pentagon's 1033 program. But notably, armored vehicles are still available. So for the time being at least, your local police department can still request what amounts to a tank to deal with a marijuana plot.
Of course. You definitely need an armoured car to deal with the insidious threat of a dude with a grow-op in his basement.
edited 11th Aug '15 2:08:42 PM by majoraoftime
Oh if it were not those laughing stoners mistaking cop cars for doughnuts this wouldn't happen.
Inter arma enim silent legesI can see needing stuff like that in some rural areas of states like Kentucky and NC. The larger growers like to rig homemade bombs and bladed traps around their plots in remote forested areas. I can recall one grower too close for comfort to my home building some makeshift concrete pill boxes stocked with ammo around his place.
Well, if they aren't equipped with the latest in tactical gear and armored vehicles, they might find themselves being illegally recorded stealing from a marijuana dispensary due to not noticing a surveillance camera. Much better to just level the place with a 25mm Bushmaster rather than risk it.
@Tobias
- I doubt if the protestors will listen to that kind of reason.
I saw videos of tactical-equipped men called Oath Keepers IIRC going around Ferguson. Although the recent shooting there is related to known gang violence.
With all due respect, this is an unnecessary generalization. While some of the more heated rhetoric has included a total removal of our nation's police presence, the consensus among BLM and related activist groups is that law enforcement needs greater accountability in their activities as well as a stronger relationship with the communities they protect. Numerous sources have noted that police misconduct is common in communities where there is great wealth disparity, segregation and police officers not living in the neighborhoods they patrol.
I'll agree on that account for more accountability. But the extreme part either needs to be moderated in some way so that their view isn't shared.
Just me few cents.
True, but they're doing what they can.
The situation isn't being helped by channers and other internet agitation groups with sockpuppets pretending to be anti-white gangsters. Some of them are pretending to be racist cops so they can bait BLM protestors. Just another day on the web.
I found more reports of Oath Keepers going around with assault rifles. Some analysts have noted their agenda to be very anti-government in term of group characters.
Yeah, we were chatting about that in other threads. I'm not too comfortable with their idea, to say the least. Some of my law enforcement colleagues have been grumbling about it quite a bit.
I heard.
They're doing plainclothes after much talking. Although I saw a CNN report of a protestor doing an Armor-Piercing Question on his right to freely protest.
The OK militiamen says it's not his place to comment like it meant nothing to him.
Well, like I've said (and like many certified law enforcement officers have observed in their own experiences), when you integrate with the community and build rapport in the neighborhoods, you get great intel on criminal activity because the people don't fear you and disrespect you as much. You see the faces, you hear the names, and they start addressing you on a first-name basis. They request you because they know you'll treat them right, even if they're getting arrested for something they've actually done wrong.
People talk, and everyone comes to know who the good officers are just like they come to know the names and faces of the officers who will beat you and illegally seize your property.
The police should be part of the community, not just the guards of the community.
Would you prefer no Police at all?
Keep Rolling OnYour guys sarcasm meters are apparently broken.
Who watches the watchmen?Knew I should have potholed to something or other ...
I do agree with what Aprilla wrote, even if I haven't spoken to a single officer who lives in my neighborhood (just the ones who dropped by for issues with my Idiot Nephew).
edited 12th Aug '15 12:11:12 AM by BlueNinja0
That’s the epitome of privilege right there, not considering armed nazis a threat to your life. - SilaswYes, I know he was being sarcastic. Still wanted to air out my thoughts.
edited 12th Aug '15 12:39:54 AM by Aprilla
Isn't your neighbourhood currently a floating death city?
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ CyranWell, technically. But I was referring to where my family lives, where I spent the last two years living; our neighborhood is about 200 houses, of which at least 12 are law enforcementnote , but aside from trying to fundraise for cub scouts we haven't spoken to them.
That’s the epitome of privilege right there, not considering armed nazis a threat to your life. - SilaswApparently there's a $1000/hour psychologist who has been advising police for years to shoot first, ask questions never. He has an entire company built upon this.
A former Minnesota State professor, he says his testimony and training are based on hard science, but his research has been roundly criticized by experts. An editor for The American Journal of Psychology called his work “pseudoscience.” The Justice Department denounced his findings as “lacking in both foundation and reliability.” Civil rights lawyers say he is selling dangerous ideas.
If the science is there, Dr. Lewinski said, he does not shy away from offering opinions in controversial cases. He said he was working on behalf of one of two Albuquerque officers who face murder charges in last year’s shooting death of a mentally ill homeless man. He has testified in many racially charged cases involving white officers who shot black suspects, such as the 2009 case in which a Bay Area transit officer shot and killed Oscar Grant, an unarmed black man, at close range.
Dr. Lewinski said he was not trying to explain away every shooting. But when he testifies, it is almost always in defense of police shootings. Officers are his target audience — he publishes a newsletter on police use of force that he says has nearly one million subscribers — and his research was devised for them. “The science is based on trying to keep officers safe,” he said. - New York Times article
It's why police officers killed 123 people in July, a high for 2015.
It's despicable and the more it happens, the richer Dr. Lewinski gets. I had always suspected some type of profit motive was behind the wholesale killing of Americans by police. Now we don't need to speculate. After all, it's the job for the Force Science Institute to keep this practice growing. - Alternet article
Really? This guy needs to sit in a prison with some of the results of that kind of thinking.
Who watches the watchmen?
Getting rid of a police department isn't a particularly feasible solution. They would need to restaff it pretty quickly, which is a difficult task in a place with so much civil unrest - people like to combat oppression with more oppression.
edited 11th Aug '15 8:34:14 AM by TobiasDrake
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