Ok it was mentioned there is not a thread for Law Enforcement Officers (LEO for short)and other similar jobs for discussion.
This is for discussing the actual jobs, ranks, training, culture, relations to military bodies that exist, and any other variety of topics that can arise pertaining to the World of Policing.
Is it a bad thing that my first response to that post was "so nobody got beaten or killed for once?"
Don't think so.
Only bad thing he did was to badmouth and threaten arrest because he honked his car horn at him. Commissioner watched the video and didn't like his conduct.
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My first thought was "It's an Uber driver, so he deserves it".
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The accusations are “outrageously sadistic scenarios that sound like its out of Game of Thrones," public defender Jeff Adachi told The San Francisco Examiner.
Adachi said in a news release that the fights were orchestrated by Deputy Scott Neu, who made 150-pound Rico Palikiko Garcia to fight 350-pound Stanly Harris twice this month at the jail in the city's Hall of Justice.
The two were promised hamburgers for winning, and "threatened with Mace, handcuffed beatings, and transfers to dangerous housing quarters if they refused to fight," the news release said. And when both men were injured in the fight, they were told they would be beaten if they sought medical attention.
“They took me down to the hallway and told me to fight another inmate, which was Stanley, and told me if I didn’t fight that I would basically get beat up by themselves, by Deputy Neu. And he told me he was going to Mace me and cuff me if I didn’t." Garcia said, according to the San Francisco Chronicle.
“And he told me anything goes. Just don’t punch the face so no one can basically see the marks. But anything goes, other than the face,” he was quoted as saying.
Harris also described the fights.
"Deputy Neu made me fight another individual that we’re — we’re housed in the same tank. He made us fight. We had like two fights already," he said, according to CBS San Francisco. "He would make us just wrestle and fight each other to his own entertainment.”
Private investigator Barry Simon interviewed the inmates, and his report is available online here.
Inmates also allege that Neu liked to gamble with them — but the stakes would often be their own possessions and food.
Neu was accused of forcing a male and female inmate to perform sex acts on him in a 2006 case that was settled out of court, the public defender's office said.
Adachi said he was going to wait until his clients were safely out of the jail before going public. But when he learned of another fight set for next week, he took action.
Four deputies have been transferred to positions where they will have no contact with inmates while the accusations are investigated, and two bailiffs who knew about the fights but didn't say anything about them may also be reassigned.
The two inmates have also been transferred to another jail for their protection.
“I do not accept any kind of culture within our county jail system that would resort to such barbaric or unlawful activity as these deputies have demonstrated,” San Francisco Sheriff Ross Mirkarimi told CBS San Francisco.
The jail on the 7th floor of the Hall of Justice should have been shut down long ago because there are areas that can't be seen on surveillance cameras, he told Bay City news.
"The conduct alleged against these Sheriff’s Department deputies is deplorable," the San Francisco District Attorney's Office said in a statement cited by NBC Bay Area. "Common sense indicates that such conduct does not occur without the knowledge of numerous people. These allegations require an independent and thorough investigation into the practices and supervision at the San Francisco Sheriff’s Department."
Indeed. The detective involved didn't know the uber passenger filmed him, so IA is using it as evidence.
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Holy fuck. Stamford Prison Experiment 4-ever...
edited 2nd Apr '15 8:03:21 AM by TheHandle
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
Oh, San Francisco, I saw another article last week about an incident that happened with the police there:
[[https://medium.com/human-parts/good-samaritan-backfire-9f53ef6a1c10
Good Samaritan Backfire
or How I Ended Up in Solitary After Calling 911 for Help]]
Of note is this bit near the end:
- Don’t call 911. Obviously, there are exceptions, but the sad lesson is, there are fewer than you’d think.
- Call Lyft to take you to the hospital. (Worked well when I broke my elbow.)
Not quoted because I agree with it, but because it demonstrates the negative effects such behavior can have on the Citizen/Government relationship. When you believe that calling 911 will only result in a negative interaction with the police, why call 911 at all? Call a cab to go to the hospital, forgoing the trained medical support that an ambulance brings. Find the guy who stole your bike and beat the shit out of him. Join a gang for protection. Certainly this all will make the cops' jobs easier since they couldn't be bothered to do their job properly to begin with.
edited 2nd Apr '15 10:48:48 AM by AFP
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That's balsically my reason for "behave ethically in all circumstances". Not only is it habit-forming, but anyone harmed by your selfish actions will lose faith in whatever it is you represent.
Night Clerk of the Apacalypse.
Those cops were being way too aggressive. The jailers weren't much better.
Who watches the watchmen?
The difference between the night shift and day shift personnel make me wonder if the night shift was being used as a dumping ground to get the shitty cops out of everyone else's hair.
Night Clerk of the Apacalypse.
Probably. The night shift is often considered the crappy undesirable shift.
Who watches the watchmen?
It's certainly that way in the service industry. And a friend of mine is a manager at a supermarket during the night shift and he basically gets everyone who is too inept to be trusted around customers.
Night Clerk of the Apacalypse.
A way to fix that is pair the problem person with someone more experienced to keep a leash on them and nudge them slowly into doing better.
Who watches the watchmen?
Indiana Solo
Gladiator battles. In prison. Jesus H Christ.
I'm baaaaaaack
Funny thing, in my career field, we fight for the night shifts whenever possible (largely because less happens and thus less work for us)
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I guess the jailers were at least smart enough to not to have Spartacus games. ![[lol]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/lol2v12_4863.png "[lol]"){kind=small}
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Double post, because of a question.
So you are an United States cop. You arrest someone fighting on street. This person is very skilled at combat, taking on multiple opponents at once, even though whether if he was the aggressor or not can't be certain. Then it turns out that there is no record on him, no birth records, medical records, driving license, etc. The race can't be determined, and it's not even sure if this person IS a human being at all.
Now, what do you do with this kind of person?
I'm a (socialist) professional writer serializing a WWII alternate history webnovel.
Feds would be flagged as soon as he came up ghost.
Local cops don't get paid enough for that kinda drama.
ICE and the FBI would be first notified.
"Psssh. Even if you could catch a miracle on a picture any person would probably delete it to make space for more porn." - Aszur
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How well do FBI get paid? And why is it that, in Mississippi Burning, they're wearing business shoes while dredging up a swamp? Do they dress like lawyers all the time?
edited 4th Apr '15 4:12:06 PM by TheHandle
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Okay, so then, what would FBI do with a ghost?
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
Launch further investigation on his origins. If he's like a literal ghost then he ends up in a cage in some dark corner of the American midwest never to be heard from again.
If he's only a figurative ghost maybe he'd end up in like Gitmo or something until they figure out who he is.
Oh really when?
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So either way, high chance of getting locked up away, I see.
What's the difference between literal and figurative ghost, though?
edited 4th Apr '15 4:47:40 PM by dRoy
I'm a (socialist) professional writer serializing a WWII alternate history webnovel.
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
Literal is like a ghost ghost. You know, the kind that crews from the Sci Fi channel like to pretend to investigate? Boo.
Figurative ghost is just that guy. The guy who's got no backstory whatsoever, no paperwork, no known origin, maybe not even a real name. He just exists. These types tend to be like spies or criminals.
edited 4th Apr '15 4:50:13 PM by LeGarcon
Oh really when?
The latter is a Scooby-Do villain, while the former is a Scooby-Do villain from the movie specials.
NYPD officer caught on video yelling his head out at an Uber driver, which was released on CNN.