This is the thread we use to talk things over with people who have received a suspension notice. A lot of the time the notice goes out just so we can explain how seriously we take certain things, not because we want the person to feel bad and go away.
If you're suspended, give What to Do If You Are Suspended a read, then post here to begin your appeal. We try to respond to appeals in order via batch posts every few days. If a moderator has responded to your appeal, you will receive a notification in your private messages, even if you're suspended from PMs.
The Forum Rules
apply here.
Don'ts
- Don't be rude. Rule 1 applies here, too.
- Don't try to negotiate your suspension outside of this thread, such as by sending Private Messages to moderators or posting elsewhere. Such activity may be thumped or otherwise removed, and may warrant an additional suspension block if it keeps happening. All communications have to take place within this thread.
- Don't respond to other suspended users. This is a place for you to discuss your suspension, not others'.
- Don't post multiple times about your appeal if it hasn't been a few days since your last reply from us, since it makes it more difficult to compose responses. If you've posted, we're likely looking at it, and kindly request you to be more patient.
- Don't make another account to try and get around your suspension. This is called ban evasion and will get you bounced. (Again, read What to Do If You Are Suspended if you don't know what these words mean.)
Edited by Synchronicity on Jul 15th 2023 at 11:35:01 AM
A reply to ~Septimus Heap :
Sure, I agree with this, as I already stated. If you need me to solemnly pledge to never try arguing on a trope page ever again, then I would do it, but is it necessary ?
edited 10th Dec '17 7:39:28 PM by Splatpope
@Colme and @Splatpope: I'll ask the rest of the staff.
~Austin DR: Unsuspended. Do not do this ever again.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Lost in Space
~Abcdef-no: Launching is the act of creating a wiki article from a TLP draft. You did this twice after being told not to. The bit about making a TLP draft for an article that was already created isn't a violation of any rule but is not something one typically does.
I think that you aren't ready to edit our site responsibly. There's a reason that most social media sites have minimum age rules. We don't, but that doesn't mean we can ignore your antics. Your suspension will remain.
~Colme: Whether you felt those tropers were horrible people or not, our rules are clear about importing drama. Do it and you get banned. We've since blocked anyone but the owner of a Tropers page from editing it, in part because of situations like this.
As for the other thing, you blanked Fanfic.The Tale Of Sephiroth Goku The Stampede with no apparent justification.
Given that, of 28 edits you ever made on our site, 24 of them were vandalism, it seems imprudent on our part to give you any sort of benefit of the doubt, but it has been five years. Maybe you've changed. We can hand you a little rope; if you decide to hang yourself, it'll be obvious soon enough. Do you understand and accept this?
~Splatpope: Your only edit to our site was that one that got you suspended. You then started sending us your "evidence" via walls of text in PM. Is there something else on our site that might possibly interest you besides the conversation around a particularly slimy piece of human garbage? Our general experience of this sort of thing is that if you come here to wonk about a specific issue, that problem never goes away.
You wouldn't be the first person we've had to ban for it and you wouldn't be the last, either.
edited 11th Dec '17 7:39:16 AM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
I do accept those terms; I think they're more than fair.
In my defence, I'm not sure why it appears in your records that 24 of my 28 edits were vandalism. When I was dumb kid with all the time in the world, but before the vandalism, I created dozens of pages on the wiki. I used to go through a page (the "List of Shows that Need Tropes" I believe) and create pages for entries there, which I listed on my Troper page. I don't know why this doesn't appear in your records, but I had been proceeding on the assumption you could see those contributions.
edited 11th Dec '17 11:13:18 PM by Colme
Reading maketh a full man, conference a ready man, and writing an exact man. ~ Francis Bacon
I appeal to have my suspension abided. While I'm not quite sure what caused it, I will ensure that, if I do something that endangers my position, I will be careful to explain myself.
Lost in Space
~Colme: You have a point. There was a purge of edit history some time around 2011, so it's possible that the records of anything you did prior to that would have been lost. I'll take you at your word and release your suspension.
~Eternityof Spirits: You don't need to write to us like you have an Author Vocabulary Calendar. Anyway, you have been edit warring on Horrible.Anime And Manga. The example you added was removed noting that, by its own description, it should be in So Bad, It's Good. You then added it back without attempting to discuss the matter first.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
precure
i read Trope
edited 12th Dec '17 7:57:04 AM by NonTroper
precure
How sweet it is
Non Troper, you don't need to make multiple posts. Just one post saying that you read the guidelines provided is enough. If you understand the guidelines you read, then we'll let you go.
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I understand. I disagreed with the sentiment, especially because the work in reference became increasingly unpleasant and cruel as it went on, offsetting any initial entertainment factor. I promise to discuss things in the future.
To whom it may concern
I had my editing privileges revoked. I assume it was for a couple of edit wars I was warned about, but I just wanted to make sure and find out how I can regain them.
Lost in Space
~EternityofSpirits: The point is that you should discuss these situations, and I think you get that now. So I'll release your suspension.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Lost in Space
~N Wolfman: Yeah, and this time it was over a Love It or Hate It example on a YMMV subpage, which is explicitly In Universe Examples Only. This is three problems for the price of one. Your edit reason clearly shows that you do not understand how our rules work in this regard.
So... yeah. Third strike, now (your last suspension appears to have been a misunderstanding, but there were two prior). Are we at the point where we have to call it quits?
edited 13th Dec '17 5:51:14 AM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
We are not.
I misread the page. It’s says “in universe examples only” under examples, but not in the description, which is usually how I determine whether or not something is in universe only.
So I argue that this still counts as a misunderstanding, or at least just an honest mistake on my part, and therefore that I should be allowed to continue editing.
Lost in Space
And you stand by that after the example was removed with an edit reason calling you out on that mistake, and you either ignored it or decided that the other troper was lying?
I'm starting to think the problem isn't with us.
edited 13th Dec '17 11:26:45 AM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
~N Wolfman: Here's the thing though. You have now had more chances than most editors get before we declare them a lost cause. You received one of our extremely rare third chances, and squandered it. We're going to need something better than "it was an honest mistake" before we even consider giving you a fourth chance.
"Yup. That tasted purple."
First off, please stop it with the attitude. Every damn time I’m on this thread, I see you being really snotty and talking down to literally everyone, which isn’t very civil or friendly IMO.
Second, I see that trope and others listed as a YMMV all the time which go undetected or unedited, which is confusing, so either there’s miscommunication between admins or this particular rule isn’t being enforced enough. I also see more egregious errors like indentation (something I know I’ve been called out for a lot in the past)
Third, I can’t tell if the people editing my contributions are admins or just regular users like myself who are trying to start their own edit wars (I had to get in someone’s case for Mister Seahorse because they were editing it to be trans-exclusionary, which I feel also counts as an edit war, but one that’s a bit more justified than a misunderstanding).
Fourth, I don’t recall that particular trope being an In Universe Only Examples trope. Neither was Magnum Opus or Pre Madonna Director, but they all eventually became that. This wiki and others like it are constantly evolving and being re-fitted with new regulations and rules, there’s going to be a mistake here and there, even with seasons editors. Humans Are Flawed, after all.
There is no “problem,” it’s a mistake, one that does not warrant a ban, I feel.
Alright, if "an honest mistake" is apparently not good enough, what is?
Lost in Space
- How we interact with suspended tropers is none of your business. How you interact with us is our business, however.
- Tropes not on the YMMV index or the Audience Reactions index are not placed on YMMV subpages. This has been the case since that namespace was created. There's zero excuse for not knowing this.
- Even if you did not already know, you had a chance to learn that the trope was IUEO when the example was removed. You ignored it.
- The edit history shows a "moderator" tag in red next to mod edits, but the fact that a mod didn't make that edit doesn't mean you get to ignore it.
- Even if we were willing to overlook the above things, you unmistakably edit warred over the example, which is in and of itself a rules violation.
- The existence of bad content isn't an excuse to add your own bad content. It means you should attempt to correct that content, or at least not add more.
- For someone here as long as you've been, with as many edits as you've made, with a past history in the Edit Banned thread, your claim that ignorance should be a defense is utterly laughable.
I was trying very hard to find a reason to keep you on board. You're doing your utmost to spit in the face of that magnanimity. I guess we're done here.
edited 13th Dec '17 12:16:26 PM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
If that's generosity, I'd hate to see what hostility looks like.
You call my defenses "laughable," you treat my mistakes like there's some kind of affront on humanity, and then you have the audacity to say that it's none of my business to say you're being rude. I'm beginning to think your "generosity" was just trying to get me off your back.
So no, we are NOT done here. My mistake does not warrant a ban and I will not stop making a stink about it until the ban is lifted and I'm allowed to resume my editing of this wonderful site.
Well a post like that is a good way to lose the right to edit this site.
So yes, we're done here.
"Yup. That tasted purple."
Lost in Space
I guess we can chalk up another example of "how not to appeal a suspension".
edited 13th Dec '17 12:28:38 PM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Hello. So I was editing pages I myself created and I got suspended for it for whatever given reason. May I please have my editing permissions back?
How sweet it is
Looks like among the pages you made were subjective and Trivia pages of your fics. Here's the deal:
- If it's a subjective page (moments, Fridge, YMMV), it's off limits to the work's creator. No exceptions. They are meant to detail audience reactions.
- For Trivia, only independently researchable items. No "Word of God" trees, period.
We'll also need to discuss about other issues, like first person writing, text formatting, and indentation.
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I'm just posting as a reminder/request for review of my previous message.
Reading maketh a full man, conference a ready man, and writing an exact man. ~ Francis Bacon