This is the thread we use to talk things over with people who have received a suspension notice. A lot of the time the notice goes out just so we can explain how seriously we take certain things, not because we want the person to feel bad and go away.
If you're suspended, give What to Do If You Are Suspended a read, then post here to begin your appeal. We try to respond to appeals in order via batch posts every few days. If a moderator has responded to your appeal, you will receive a notification in your private messages, even if you're suspended from PMs.
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- Don't be rude. Rule 1 applies here, too.
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- Don't make another account to try and get around your suspension. This is called ban evasion and will get you bounced. (Again, read What to Do If You Are Suspended if you don't know what these words mean.)
Edited by Synchronicity on Jul 15th 2023 at 11:35:01 AM
May I ask why my editing privileges were suspended?
You were changing all the British spelling on the pages you edited to American spellings in violation of American and Commonwealth Spellings.
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick
^ Ah, jeez. Now I feel like a total dong. I recently installed a word-replacer extension in Chrome (it's a personal preference thing for me). It's only supposed to make changes to the things I SEE, not the things I POST, or that's what I thought at least, but obviously I was wrong.
Sorry for the hassle. I can definitely disable the extension if you're willing to give me my editing privileges back so that it doesn't happen again.
Word-replace scripts of all kinds are a pretty big no-no on this site for that very reason. Because it affects the edit box as well as the actual page.
"Yup. That tasted purple."
FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC!
Yeah. People don't tend to realise what when they open an edit window the entire text in the box will be vulnerable to all of the extensions one might have that deal with text. Changing from one spelling convention to another is quite mild, compared to some of the stuff we've seen.
Go to the settings of that extension and install tvtropes.org as an exception. Alternatively, just turn the extension off altogether whenever you're thinking of editing the Wiki. (I'd go with the first option - it's too easy to do a quick edit without remembering to turn it off.)
I'm lifting your suspension now that we've had this talk. I trust that there won't be any more issues with this.
EDIT: ![[nja]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/user_ninja_2074.png "[nja]"){kind=small}
edited 3rd Sep '15 3:12:53 PM by BestOf
Quod gratis asseritur, gratis negatur.
Every mission's a suicide mission!
Will I ever get unmuted from OTC?
I'd like to go argue there again, if that's permitted. Maybe some advice on how to be less inflammatory? Or topics to avoid?
I honestly don't feel like the mute was too well-earned. All I did was espouse non-Liberal ideas and at the behest of a handful of users I was deemed a troll for it, then had the Right-wing declared "misinformed" and myself along with it.
That's really, really, really not a very pro-speech or pro-freespeech action.
If there's a way I can improve, I'll do it, but I still would be lying if I didn't say I felt peeved that I was basically muted for the reason "Your beliefs aren't progressive enough."
I never even said one offensive or harmful or ad-hominemming comment, though was met with several (called a right-winged lunatic closeminded bigoted troll) and said comments went unpunished and unthumped. But I get singled out for a mute?
If the situation can't be resolved, I'd like a more detailed explanation of what happened and why. It's been on my mind whilst browsing here for a few days, and the idea that mods may mute and ban at their discretion simply because they disagree with a user's beliefs scares me.
If this was not the reason I was muted... Well, this is why I'd like a better explanation of the situation, please.
edited 3rd Sep '15 4:51:39 PM by Jenaiqueserasera
"By the rivers of Babylon, there we sat down, yea, we wept, when we remembered Zion."
You've picked up three OTC bans. That's pretty much game over.
"Yup. That tasted purple."
Every mission's a suicide mission!
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I was banned twice in total.
First time was my fault, but I think the second time was a big misunderstanding.
edited 3rd Sep '15 5:14:34 PM by Jenaiqueserasera
"By the rivers of Babylon, there we sat down, yea, we wept, when we remembered Zion."
It wasn't that your ideas were non-liberal. It's that you were linking to white supremacist sites and defending the KKK lynching black people.
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick
Every mission's a suicide mission!
1. It was a single link, and even then I had no idea it was a white supremacist site. The source I found mentioned nothing about that. This might be where the misunderstanding arose.
2. I never said that either. I said any and all racist organizations, white or black or otherwise, should be punished for any violent acts they commit. This being said, they still have a right to say what they wish to say. In the U.S., all speech, including hate speech (except face-to-face direct inflammatory assault), is protected by the Constitution. Whether or not you agree with them, all hate groups in the States have a right to freedom of speech. I never defended violent action, however, whatsoever, from any group ever. I made this explicitly clear in almost every related post. Read through them and you'll see I mention time and again that no action from any racist group of any race of any nation of any time period should be unpunished. Again, a misunderstanding.
edited 3rd Sep '15 6:01:35 PM by Jenaiqueserasera
"By the rivers of Babylon, there we sat down, yea, we wept, when we remembered Zion."
In the words of xkcd:
Someone once said that defending a position by citing free speech is sort of the ultimate concession; you're saying that the most compelling thing you can say for your position is that it's not literally illegal to express.
edited 3rd Sep '15 6:10:44 PM by shimaspawn
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick
Every mission's a suicide mission!
Except I wasn't condoning hate groups or expressing hate speech myself. You're again misunderstanding that.
If I came here supporting the Klan or the Black Panthers or the Weather Underground and violently attacking other users, I couldn't use free speech for that.
However, I myself am of course not a Klanswoman, a Panther, or an Undergrounder.
I was purely referring to the real world. Speech issues of hate groups in real life came up, and I stated that in real life they're protected under the Constitution.
I myself did not express any such sentiments personally nor further the speech of any hate groups. It was a completely separate topic about whether or not real-life hate speech is guarded by the First Amendment.
Perhaps it was falsely assumed by proxy by some users that I was expressing my beliefs there, but that wasn't the case. I never said I agreed with those groups, but in a real-world, real-society sense, I stated that they had rights to hate speech. Hate speech can of course get you judged, yelled at, attacked, applauded, cheered, all depending on the crowd, but it remains legal.
Legality was the issue, not the groups themselves or hate speech itself.
edited 3rd Sep '15 6:14:28 PM by Jenaiqueserasera
"By the rivers of Babylon, there we sat down, yea, we wept, when we remembered Zion."
The Right to Free Speech means the government can't arrest you for what you say. It doesn't mean that anyone else has to listen to your bullshit[...]. The 1st amendment doesn't shield you from criticism or consequences. If you're yelled at, boycotted, have your show cancelled, [...], your free speech rights aren't being violated.
If you take out the internet stuff, it's still true for the real world.
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick
Every mission's a suicide mission!
I'm not sure what you're getting at, then.
Why didn't people argue that in the thread if that's what they believe? I wasn't breaking any rules or harassing anyone, I was stating they're protected under free speech. Why ban me when they could've just made the argument that I was wrong?
Now it almost seems as if I was banned because it was believed I was wrong about free speech and its implications and practices? Still very confusing.
"By the rivers of Babylon, there we sat down, yea, we wept, when we remembered Zion."
Just popping in to say that I got an edit suspension as of 9:31 AM (+8 GMT).
I'm not sure if it's fine to ask about the root cause.
@Ominae: You seem to have issues with Zero Context Examples especially on character pages. In addition you keep writing examples where the explanations have nothing to do with the trope. Also you made a terribly formatted character page.
edited 3rd Sep '15 6:44:03 PM by shimaspawn
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick
Every mission's a suicide mission!
Will my case be considered? Can it, please?
edited 3rd Sep '15 6:44:08 PM by Jenaiqueserasera
"By the rivers of Babylon, there we sat down, yea, we wept, when we remembered Zion."
@shima
- You talking about the Hayarigami pages I did? Oh yeah, which pages are you talking did that I somehow messed up on. Just for reference.
edited 3rd Sep '15 6:47:19 PM by Ominae
@Jenaiqueserasera: Your case has been considered. Our ruling is that you shall not be unbanned.
edited 3rd Sep '15 6:45:29 PM by shimaspawn
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick
@Ominae: I'm talking about all your edits. Here are some samples. Please correct these and post them here to prove you understand how to write examples properly:
- VisualNovel.Shin Hayarigami:
- Bloody Horror: You will see lots of this, partially becaues Anyone Can Die.
- VisualNovel.Hayarigami 2
- Urban Legend: The game's theme and focus, again.
- Visual Novel: The second game in the genre made by NIS.
- Who You Gonna Call?: The MPD HAS, once again.
- Characters.Zoo Delavane :
- The Dragon: To Reiden Global, post-mole reveal.
- Characters.The Brink Prime Minister Umair Zaman:
- Big Bad: Of the first season.
Also on Characters.The Presidents Last Bang you didn't add any descriptions to any of the characters leaving the page incomplete and riddled with ZC Es.
edited 3rd Sep '15 6:54:52 PM by shimaspawn
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick
If that's the case, I can work on further expanding them to not repeat it again.
Are they related to the messy character page format you mentioned?
edited 3rd Sep '15 6:54:24 PM by Ominae
I've been suspended. I know why. Is there anything I can do this time to get unsuspended?
Every mission's a suicide mission!
Then hopefully it can be reconsidered in the future. Thanks for your time regardless.
"By the rivers of Babylon, there we sat down, yea, we wept, when we remembered Zion."
Um, may I ask for my TRS and YKTTW privileges?
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