This is the thread we use to talk things over with people who have received a suspension notice. A lot of the time the notice goes out just so we can explain how seriously we take certain things, not because we want the person to feel bad and go away.
If you're suspended, give What to Do If You Are Suspended a read, then post here to begin your appeal. We try to respond to appeals in order via batch posts every few days. If a moderator has responded to your appeal, you will receive a notification in your private messages, even if you're suspended from PMs.
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- Don't make another account to try and get around your suspension. This is called ban evasion and will get you bounced. (Again, read What to Do If You Are Suspended if you don't know what these words mean.)
Edited by Synchronicity on Jul 15th 2023 at 11:35:01 AM
And why did you think it would be appropriate to insert said content?
"Yup. That tasted purple."
Because it is an example.
Give Administrivia.The Content Policy And The 5 P Circuit a read and tell me where you went wrong.
"Yup. That tasted purple."
Lost in Space
~Johnnyfog: I'd be inclined to take you at your word here, except for the following facts:
- This is the second time you've been in Edit Banned for this issue, not counting the conversations you've had through PM about the topic, and you therefore have no excuse not to be aware of how we handle quotes.
- An account was created yesterday on your most recent IP address that started editing the same quotes articles that you do.
As far as I can tell, this looks like willful defiance and ban evasion. So, I think we can safely call it quits for you. I'm really curious to know if you have anything novel to say.
~Justanotherrandomlurker: You may choose to leave TVT if you wish; it's no skin off our backs. If you stay, though, you have to pay attention to our editing policies, which is apparently possible for lots of people who don't get repeated suspensions. So, which is it?
~Omeganian: Porn is forbidden by our content policy. Ignorance is not an excuse. As far as we can tell, this is a deliberate, flagrant violation, especially since your account is so old that it goes beyond when we were tracking that data.
edited 11th Aug '15 8:34:15 AM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
~Deadbeatloser22 Without an explanation of what is problematic with the examples themselves, that is not easy to answer.
Lost in Space
You listed examples from pornographic works. That is a violation of the rules, full stop. We've had these rules for years and you have no excuse not to know them.
Edit: We take this very seriously because it could literally cost us the site if our ad sponsors drop us.
edited 11th Aug '15 9:01:47 AM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Actual Wrestling Legend
Well, you can hardly blame me for registering an account to see who called for my ban in Ask the Tropers.
Look, I enjoy editing the quotes pages. If I substitute a quote with another, it's always available in the history or in the quotes page for someone to put back. It's not an edit war, it's a trivial difference of opinion.
If you want to ban me, that's your right. This site is a very big part of my life. It's not gonna stop me from editing. I know I'll be back, and you'll know I'll be back, so why don't you take me at my word and unban in a month or so?
I'm a skeptical squirrel
Lost in Space
What? Did you just declare your intent to ignore the rules and ban evade as you see fit? I'm afraid that this is going to be a very long, uphill struggle for you, one that we have no qualms about engaging in. Goodbye.
edited 11th Aug '15 9:27:27 AM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
It says in the FAQ section that you "keep non-problematic examples from P5-cut works". If the examples themselves are problematic, then explain; I'll account for that. If it doesn't apply to new examples, say so, rephrase the answer to make it clear; I'll account for that. If the answer no longer matches the current policy, once again, change it; I'll account for that. But please, do not leave matters unclear; it makes a bad impression.
That does not explain why we should accept examples from explicitly pornographic works, regardless of the content presented on site.
In addition, your argument that you didn't actually link to the pornographic works in question does not hold water when you pretty clearly state where and how to find the works.
"Yup. That tasted purple."
You might not have actually hyperlinked the URL, but you still put the address of a porn site on our wiki. That's really the core of the issue.
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick
Aren't you the one who's supposed to explain why a non-obscene example should be a problem just because of its source?
As for giving the data to find it... I never made that point, but very well.
Lost in Space
Look, we can only have this discussion if you are participating in good faith, and it looks very much like you are not. No porn means no examples from porn. Examples from sketchy works that the P5 has declared to be unsuitable for the wiki may still be used if and only if they are completely unrelated to the content that got them removed.
Your examples were clearly about a pornographic work. That's prima facie evidence of unsuitability regardless of any other context.
If you can't understand these points, then I have little hope that your ban can be removed.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Both of your examples were about gangbangs. Gangbangs are not appropriate example material. Please do not keep writing examples about gangbangs.
edited 11th Aug '15 11:47:22 AM by shimaspawn
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick
^^ I can understand these points. Just like you could have made them earlier.
Lost in Space
This is not about us; it's about you. What we want to determine was and remains why you did not know them.
edited 11th Aug '15 12:21:14 PM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Didn't see them anywhere. Except for this thread, I still don't, strictly speaking.
So what made you think it was appropriate for you to do it?
"Yup. That tasted purple."
Because I saw nothing too inappropriate about the example itself.
...Nah, I don't don't post enough that it really matters to me. Besides, I figure I know how I messed up. Not much point asking why I was suspended then.
Hey, so apparently I was suspended over a (fairly large) edit at Beta Couple wherein I made visible many commented out examples. I feel that, while I may have exposed maybe a few too many, and realize that was probably a bad idea, many of the commented out examples were inappropriately commented out in the first place, as they clearly already identify who the main (alpha) couple in the works are, and therefore do not lack the context needed to make them relevant. Most notably, the commented out examples include the very one that provides the page quote! In short, the commenting out was far too overzealous, and I was trying to fix the page to restore material inapproriately removed in the first place. My edits were in good faith, and I don't think were something that required a block.
@Fighteer
You may choose to leave TVT if you wish; it's no skin off our backs. If you stay, though, you have to pay attention to our editing policies, which is apparently possible for lots of people who don't get repeated suspensions. So, which is it?
This is only the second time I've been suspended, and if you may recall, the first time I was suspended (and I do believe you were the one who suspended me) wasn't over editing issues, but a misunderstanding over a particular YKTTW draft I had started that got blown way out of proportion and went downhill quickly.
As I said in a few of my previous posts regarding this issue that I assume you're finding hard to believe from your seemingly back-handed comment, I try my best to be very mindful of the editing rules and policies around here, because I know you guys are dead serious about enforcing them. As I also mentioned, when I do realize mistakes I've made, I learn from them and try to avoid them with further edits (to wit, the indexing issue that Septimus Heap brought up, which, admittedly, took me a long time to figure out how it works). I believe I've also mentioned that if I come across mistakes others have made, I try to fix and correct them, since Septimus pointed out it's up to the community to do so anyway. Still, if I may borrow a quote from M*A*S*H, it really feels like you guys are cats just waiting for us mice to make the smallest mistakes so you can pounce, which makes me incredibly nervous about continuing to be a part of this community . . . and your condescending proposition doesn't help much either.
Bottom line: yes, I would like my suspension to be lifted again, if only so that I can at least have access to Troperville again, I just don't plan on contributing much to work pages and such anymore, as again, it could be very well that my next edit could be my last.
edited 11th Aug '15 8:33:15 PM by justanotherrandomlurker
Lost in Space
~Omeganian: Again, our primary concern is that you would have ever thought that porn examples would be appropriate for our wiki. It's been at least four years since that was permissible even via omission. This bespeaks either a gross failure of judgment or an intentional act of defiance that you're covering up by claiming ignorance. We will not restore your editing rights until this is sorted out.
~Bulmabriefs144: The purpose of a suspension is to get you to talk to us. Your addition of a Dethroning Moment of Suck example on a YMMV page was in direct violation of our rule segregating Darth Wiki from the main articles. We'd like to know why you did it.
~Oknazevad: Hi there. Thanks for coming in. The examples that you are referring to were commented out for insufficient context. It is not enough to state the names of characters when describing a trope, even one like Beta Couple. You must describe enough about how it is used that someone familiar with neither the trope nor the work could understand it.
Bad:
- Beta Couple: David and Evie, to Alice and Bob's Alpha Couple.
Good:
- Beta Couple: While Alice and Bob are doing the Masochism Tango, David and Evie work together as matchmakers. In the process, they find themselves to be unexpectedly compatible and hook up after the wedding reception.
~Justanotherrandomlurker: Your wiki notification log shows 7 for failing to crosswick, 13 for lack of indexing, 4 for grammar, 2 for indentation, 1 for natter, 2 for misplaced trivia, and 2 for misuse of Examples Are Not Recent.
You've had ample opportunity to learn the rules. If you find them too difficult, then perhaps it's best if you stay suspended.
edited 12th Aug '15 8:45:37 AM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Well, I know it wasn't deliberate, so if you insist it was a gross failure of judgement, then let it be a gross failure of judgement.
I saw no outright violation of rules in my example, and I certainly cannot go by the fact some people might not be interested in it.