Type-Moon: Fate/stay night, Tsukihime, and Kara no Kyoukai discussion

They're rereleased Realta Nua twice since Fate/Zero's airing with no changes to the text, so clearly it's not a priority for Type-Moon.

Besides, the only inconsistencies between the two are minor nitpicky stuff, like the one line in UBW about Kiritsugu leaving his wife with the Einzberns when he set out for the Fourth War.

F/A Frankenstein's Monster fell in with her creator but got rejected, so she stalked him and killed his family members in revenge. Then she drowned herself after he committed suicide.

In short, Mary Shelley's entire story got bastardized in an attempt to turn the monster into a moeblob woobie yandere. This is beyond terrible as a concept.

Edit: humanity6 has posted a full servant roster on his blog, and he's always been reliable. So Atalanta-Archer, Karna-Lancer, and Achilles-Rider are confirmed now.

edited 30th Dec '12 5:51:58 AM by RandomDude

Wow, that awful. Frankly that's worse than loli Jack if you ask me.

Truer words have never been spoken. Fucking yandere fetishism.

"If you aren't him, then you apparently got your brain from the same discount retailer, so..." - Fighteer

What kind of idiot would find yandere desirable? o_O

I dunno, Apocrypha!Frankie's story appeals to me, in the sense that it has a lot of good potential that has sadly been underdeveloped/unused.

I think the yandere part is for the sympathetic pity factor, considering the tragic circumstances that led to its emergence in her.

edited 30th Dec '12 6:04:13 AM by MarqFJA

Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.

I dunno, ask those who have read Mirai Nikki and buy Yuno plushies.

"If you aren't him, then you apparently got your brain from the same discount retailer, so..." - Fighteer

Some people are very, very weird it seems. The entire point of yandere is that she's crazy and creepy.

Again, not really working. Yandere's aren't sympathetic character archetype.

edited 30th Dec '12 6:10:51 AM by Shlugo_the_great

On its own, yes, yandere isn't sympathetic. A tragic Backstory that explains how a yandere became so can make him/her sympathetic, however.

Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.

That some tragic back-story right there. Grave of Fireflies level tragic.

She got rejected for a shitty reason: Irrational paranoid fear with little to no evidence to back it up.

Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.

That happens to many people, but you don't see them murdering the other party with a chainsaw.

"If you aren't him, then you apparently got your brain from the same discount retailer, so..." - Fighteer

Or maybe he just didn't feel the same way, go figure.

And simple rejection isn't excuse to go on murderous rampage.

Also given how easily she decided that killing his relatives is a good course of action, his fears might not been so irrational after all.

So we finally got to loathing of Frankenmoe, yay!

Also Mordred seem to be firmly going the same way as nero: ie. despite looking like Saber, her personality is nothing like it. From the prologue, she seems to be a tightly curled wrecking ball of rage, boundless arrogance and over-the-top daddy issues.

Has a compulsive editing and re-editing disorder.

Frankenmoe is a hilarious nickname. I shall use it from now on.

I don't mind Yandere if done "right". For Yuno, for example, I feel nothing but contempt. :V

Frankenmoe...

That sounds like the kind of name that would just piss people off.

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XD

One Strip! One Strip!

I see it as a degrading nickname for a stupid character!

Yandere as a villain works. I can see a couple situations where yandere as love interest works but it requires the story admitting that she's seriously crazy and managing to build a good story out of it. It also sort of requires for the main character to be able to believably support such a character and story.

edited 30th Dec '12 1:31:13 PM by Arha

How many of them are Artificial Humans who were created by Mad Scientists using corpses and other similarly questionable "raw materials" (unless she's very different in that regard from her inspiration), and animated via pseudoscientific (and, if the original story's implied hints are to be believed, alchemical) methods of probably high questionable nature regarding either safety, reliability, or both?

TL;DR: Frankie's mind has almost certainly been highly unstable emotioanlly-wise from the get-go, and despite being Born as an Adult, she's likely still has a child's level of emotional development — a child who never got the chance to be taught the proper social norms.

Well, Frankie did eventually come to the realization that she is an "unnatural monster" born of Mad Science (though whether that makes her "inhuman" and "evil" is quite controversial) that would probably never be loved by normal humans (just like the original Frankenstein's Monster, too).

edited 30th Dec '12 2:22:47 PM by MarqFJA

Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.

Are you defining it so narrowly just so we can't come up with counterexamples like Chi's sister from Chobits? Anyway, I don't see why this matters.

Vague magi jargon set by Nasu's crew do not lighten the burden of murder, especially since she killed his otherwise unrelated family instead of him.

"If you aren't him, then you apparently got your brain from the same discount retailer, so..." - Fighteer

I don't even care if she's a sympathetic character or not, the whole idea of it is stupid. :V

For the record, the original Frankenstein was a Blank Slate at "birth", ergo Frankie must have been one too (notwithstanding Word of God debunking that). And also, the original Frankenstein did have his own creator denounce/abandon him more or less from the getgo, so why should Nasu do it differently?

@Arha: No, I'm listing traits that are shared by both her and the original Frankenstein.

@Lu: This "magi jargon" was in the original story, not invented by Nasu.

@Kay: That's fine. What's good to one person may be stupid to another. I'm just disputing that her reason for going on a Roaring Rampage of Revenge was lame and inadequate (not in so much words, but that's the gist of what I'm understanding).

edited 30th Dec '12 2:46:02 PM by MarqFJA

Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.

I dunno if they're inadequate, but I definitely find them lame. :V

Marq proved nothing, it's still lame back-story and Frankenmoe is still not sympathetic!

It's like Nasu thought to himself: "So I genderflipped one person and people liked it well enough... TIME TO SCREW UP MYTHOLOGY AND HISTORY SOME MORE!"