Updating Image Pickin' thread reasons

If you're a regular in Image Pickin', then you're aware that the current list of reasons that can be attached to new threads is...outdated, to put it lightly. Here's the current list of reasons:

• Does Not Illustrate
• JAFAAC
• Poor Image
• Duplicate Image
• Suggestion
• NSFW / Image Macro
• Spoiler
• Changed w/o Discussion

While some work, others are overly specific and poorly named. Years ago, I'd brought this topic up in IP and hashed out the following:

• Needs Help (default)
• Suggestions (for when you have multiple pics to suggest for a page that doesn't have a pic)
• Replacement Suggestion(s) (you generally think you have a better pic than the one that's there)
• Not Allowed (covers NSFW, spoilers, image macros, etc.)
• Copyright Issues (covers single-panel cartoons and using too much of a multi-panel work)
• Changed w/o Discussion
• Quality Issues
• Poor Image (general purpose "this pic doesn't work" category)

Since then, IP's gone through some changes, and this list doesn't exactly work. "Quality Issues" is no longer needed since we have a thread dedicated to doing quality upgrades. The two "Suggestions" items could potentially be combined into one. I still think "Not Allowed" and "Copyright Issues" are good as is. So, what I'm proposing are the following:

• Needs Help (default)
• Poor Image (general purpose "this pic doesn't work" category)
• Not Allowed (covers NSFW, spoilers, image macros, etc.; basically any pic that meets an "insta-pull" criteria)
• Copyright Issues (covers single-panel cartoons and using too much of a multi-panel work; distinct from "Not Allowed" in that we can potentially salvage a working pic from what's there)
• Changed w/o Discussion
• Suggestions (for when you have multiple pics to suggest for a page that doesn't have a pic)

Thoughts?

Edited by Willbyr on Apr 18th 2023 at 10:47:39 AM

Maybe have "suggestions" be "multiple suggestions" because I am not sure if people are going to notice the plural but I am probably overthinking it. I think everything else looks fine.

I'd considered that; that's fine with me.

I'm good with all of the proposed updates

Edited by Cutegirl920fire on Apr 18th 2023 at 11:44:12 AM

to the proposed thread reasons

Suggestions is probably fine on its own since it's also intended to cover "I have a better idea", right?

Everything else

I'm good with those.

Grouping the Suggestions together sounds simpler, and I'm not sure the distinction between Copyright Issues and Not Allowed is self-evident, but otherwise the changes sound good.

Some other thoughts I had:

• Should "Not Allowed" be changed to "Instant Pull", since that's what usually happens to applicable pics? I'm having trouble coming up with something other than "Not Allowed" that would work as well for that category.
• Should "Duplicate Image" be added? It happens enough that it's possibly worth including, but that situation could also be wrapped into "Needs Help".

Edited by Willbyr on Apr 19th 2023 at 6:24:04 AM

I'd add "Duplicate Image". On "Instant Pull", I actually think that spelling out "NSFW/Macro" would work better than leave the actual problem unstated.

Eh, for the cases where multiple issues can be covered by one reason, I'd prefer to keep the names more general. Over-specificity is the major problem with the current list, and people have specifically griped about "NSFW/Macro" in the past.

Macros have become rare over the years. I haven't seen a single one in my time here besides its page. I think that part of the reason should be swapped out with Copyright Issues.

Copyright issues aren't always clear cut; sometimes you can ask for permission or alter the image or claim fair use. I'd probably replace "Macro" with "Memes" since that is the reason why macros are unwanted.

Neither sound very clear what to use "The image is good, but here's a more illustrative one" with. More commonly to replace a work's teaser poster with release poster.

Isn't that just "Suggestion"?

Yes, which is proposed above to be replaced with "Suggestions (for when you have multiple pics to suggest for a page that doesn't have a pic)"

Edited by Amonimus on Apr 20th 2023 at 9:14:47 PM

Eh, Idk if the pluralization would really matter. It doesn't have to mean that you're suggesting more than one image. I don't think people would be that picky.

Always thought it was weird how NSFW/Image Macro was lumped into one since those are completely different reasons, renaming it to "Not Allowed" or similar could work

Edited by Zanreo on Apr 23rd 2023 at 4:58:53 PM

I prefer something along the lines of "Rule Violation" to "Not Allowed". The latter just sounds off for some reason.

I've been tied up all weekend and haven't had a chance to do anything with this, but I'll get to it when I can.

Same. Somehow "not allowed" don't seem distinct from "copyright issue" to me.

At the moment, here's how things are broken down in the pinned post in the IP discussion thread:

• Pics that are NSFW, spoilery, watermarked, meme pics, from the wrong work/programming block/etc, or a copyright issue are all currently listed as "pull and make a thread". However, it's not often the case that the OP pulls the pic right away. Usually, the issue with the pic is cited, and after a few votes to pull the pic's pulled.
• Cases where it's okay to make a thread: Multiple suggestions, a poor image (JAFAAC, too much text, etc.), quality issues, using too much of a work, fan art, too fanservicey, multiple pages with the same pic, a replacement idea, changed/removed without discussion, RL pic on a NRLEP page, YMMV/Audience Reaction page with a non-In Universe pic, multiple images or a bad collage on page.

Now, after some more consideration, here's how these pan out to me in terms of thread reasons:

• NSFW, spoilers, meme pics^note including anything that isn't a straight-up meme pic but is too close to one for comfort could be listed as Not Allowed, Serious Issue, or Major Issue.
• Anything dealing with copyright (watermarked pics, entire works, fan art, or using too much of a work) goes under Copyright Issues. I get the argument for lumping that into the former, but these feel like a distinct section of issues that merits the different reason.
• Wrong work/programming block/etc., poor image (JAFAAC, too much text, etc.), quality issues (too bad to clean up in the quality improvement thread), bad collages, or any situation where a pic is just plain bad can go under Poor Image.
• Multiple suggestions could go under Multiple Suggestions, Multiple Ideas, or just Suggestions or Ideas.
• Changed/removed w/o discussion stays as Changed w/o Discussion
• Multiple pages with the same pic, RL pic on a NRLEP page, YMMV/Audience Reaction page with a non-In Universe pic, multiple images could go under Policy Issue
• A general "let's replace the pic that's there" case could go under Pic Change or Pic Update

Thoughts?

Edited by Willbyr on Apr 24th 2023 at 10:51:09 AM

"Meme pics" is ambiguous. It could include work images that went memetic, such as Summon Bigger Fish, Cuckold, Badge Gag, and Memes/ subpage images. Image Macro may be a lesser known term, but I believe it's the clearer one.

Macro however is only one type of meme image, the problem with meme images applies to any image that is a meme.

Unallowed Meme?