To-do list:
- Since Supernatural Is Green and Supernatural Is Purple have been merged into Technicolor Magic, any examples that fit Technicolor Magic should be moved accordingly. Both Supernatural Is Green and Supernatural Is Purple have been disambiguated, so there may be a more fitting trope for a given example.
. The only distinguishing factor between the three? The color used. A wick check
was done to see if there were any patterns within the examples covered by other tropes as well as seeing how general examples for both tropes are, and if merging the two tropes is a possibility, or if the concept is even a trope. The wick check findings are summarized below: - 17/60 Supernatural Colored Trait or 28.3%
- 9/60 Magic Is Colored or 15%
- 4/60 Color-Coded Wizardry or 6.6%
- 11/60 Possible Shoehorns 18.3%
- 19/60 ZCE or 31.6%
The wick check shows a tendency towards ZCEs, with the next prominent usage being supernatural status indicated by a physical trait (usually eye color). I can see why the usage is varied, the definition is quite broad, aside from the color restriction. It boils down essentially to "supernatural is represented by X color" so I can't say this is really misuse, except for the shoehorns and examples that are actually Color-Coded Wizardry, so I guess a 25% misuse rate then. Something to note: while doing the wick check, I noticed that Supernatural Is Green has already gone through one rename for being unclear, so it being back here is not a great sign.
Here are a couple of different ideas I've stormed up:
- Combine Supernatural Is Purple, Supernatural Is Green, and Supernatural Is Blue (along with other colors) into one general trope about how a strange color (in-universe) is indicative of supernatural origin.
- Narrow definition of trope to specify either "Odd-colored trait is indicative of supernatural" or "magic is supernaturally colored"note .
- Rename the trope(s): This would hopefully cut down on misuse and ZCEs as several of the no-context examples were just the trope name.
Edited by GastonRabbit on May 28th 2022 at 8:12:56 AM
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
Calling in favor of merging Supernatural Is Purple and Supernatural Is Green into a single trope while leaving Color-Coded Wizardry alone. We're going to need a name for the merged page, so does anyone have any suggestions?
Also, the Supernatural Is Blue draft will probably end up being discarded (but I'll defer to the other mods on this one because I'm unfamiliar with TLP), but the name could still be a redirect to the new trope page.
Edited by GastonRabbit on May 7th 2022 at 4:17:07 AM
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Technicolor Magic was brought up
Magic Color sounds like Painting the Medium-ish to me?
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It's such a vague name indeed.
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
OK, so I hooked a crowner. I added both American and Commonwealth spellings, but regardless of whether we end up going with an American or Commonwealth name, the other spelling will be made a redirect per the American and Commonwealth Spellings policy.
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Sounds good on paper (he/him)
I discarded the Supernatural Is Blue draft since the decision to have a single color-neutral trope instead of multiple color-specific tropes made it The Same, but More Specific to the trope we're currently deciding on a name for.
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Supernatural and Magic Color overlap too closely with Fictional Colour too? Sorta like The Colour Out of Space?
Edited by Malady on May 7th 2022 at 2:31:07 AM
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Posting this comment to make public that I voted in favor of Color of the Supernatural. I didn't upvote or downvote any of the other options.
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One thing I am concerned with regarding the names with "supernatural" in the title is that it seems overly broad. This was brought up in the OP as to why the examples for the existing pages were kind of all over the place and included a lot of "colored traits" like eyes and hair. Sure depictions of magic would be included but so would, say, an alien that has green skin and a magic user that has blue hair.
I thought the new trope was supposed to specifically cover when magic (its use and representation) is given an actual color to distinguish it visually, since it is possible to just...not use any color at all, given it doesn't actually exist (for reference, see the depiction of magic in Series.Sabrina The Teenage Witch where the magic is never colored and is depicted either by things moving on their own or is visually depicted with a sparkle flourish only).
Those are two different tropes to me, so I guess I want clarification on what the new trope is trying to cover, exactly.
Edited by amathieu13 on May 7th 2022 at 9:20:13 AM
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I always thought the new the new trope was for the latter? The former is already covered by Mark of the Supernatural but I can see people confusing the two if we went with Color Of The Supernatural.
Edited by MacronNotes on May 8th 2022 at 6:55:14 AM
Macron's notes
- I forgot Mark of the Supernatural existed and that it already covered unusual colored traits indicating something being supernatural (a lot of the examples for these two tropes being just that)
- If the trope is going to be for the latter, then I think it's better if the name includes the word Magic somewhere in it to indicate the narrower focus
- Yeahhhh Color Of The Supernatural and Mark of the Supernatural are too close IMO
Big Catch, Sparkle Edition
I voted for Technicolor Magic. Not only does it avoid the confusion possibility, but I just think it sounds cool.
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I pretty much voted against Color Of The Supernatural because I personally didn't like the name. I think names that are both clear and unique help defend us against accusations of bad renames like what happened with DIAA and Dork Age while also fending off misuse resulting from unclear names.
the Retromancer
I've always thought Mark of the Supernatural is like, body traits, while this trope is about all auras and spells having distinguishable visual effect.
TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup
that's what we established, yes. I think the issue is that many of the examples under the two previous tropes were just strange eye colors/hair colors indicating supernatural origins, because the trope descriptions were broad enough to include them. But the new def is intentionally narrower
Big Catch, Sparkle Edition
We might also want to note potential overlap with Magical Sensory Effect. It's more of a related concept than anything, but it's worth plugging.
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the Retromancer
Not against having "magic" in the name, just concerned that Psychic Powers wouldn't be obvious.
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Well, we could go generic and just call it Colorful Supernatural Energy, because that's what it's usually about, power sources?
I was gonna say Colorful Power "Energy", but power and energy are too similar. "Ability" isn't similar enough to Power either.
Supernatural Lightshow? Ehh.
Maybe use "[Color]" to represent a Fill In The Blank.
"Supernatural Is [Color]"
Edited by Malady on May 9th 2022 at 6:50:08 AM
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I think we can call since it's been 3 days.
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Calling crowner in favor of Technicolor Magic. Sandbox.Technicolor Magic can be used to draft up a description for the new trope and sort out examples from Supernatural Is Green and Supernatural Is Purple
Macron's notes
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
I intend to make Supernatural Color and Supernatural Colour a redirect since it was also within consensus range (plus Technicolour Magic to go with the primary name of the page).
Edited by GastonRabbit on May 10th 2022 at 7:43:57 AM
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I created the Technicolor Magic sandbox and wrote a basic description.
I added to the sandbox.
I also have two questions:
- Emerald Power is said to be the Super-Trope to Supernatural Is Green and Sickly Green Glow. Should anything be done to it?
- I wanted to get some thoughts on taking a Mysterious Purple or Ambiguous Purple idea to the TLP to capture the association between the color purple and the unknown. Would also cover morally ambiguous characters being associated with purple (like a mixing of Blue Is Heroic and Red and Black and Evil All Over). Does that sound like a good idea?
Crown Description:
Consensus was to merge Supernatural Is Purple and Supernatural Is Green into a single trope that involves the use of colors to indicate the supernatural, but isn't specific to a single color. What should the merged trope's name be?
Edited by GnomeTitan on May 4th 2022 at 10:55:34 AM