So, it's been a trend for soft-split tropes to be split into multiple sections even when it's not needed and makes the page a hassle to navigate. In some cases, the trope in question is so large that hard-splitting some (or all) of the internal subtropes into their pages is more beneficial than letting them take over the page.
EDIT: Here’s the sandbox for this effort—Sandbox.Soft Split Cleanup
Edited by MacronNotes on Jul 4th 2022 at 10:16:08 AM
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I don't really get the soft-split on Network Decay. The subpages are all organized by company, which may compel people to add examples that would fit on one page to another one to keep the companies together, and there's a problem with recency as networks can go through multiple kinds of decay or come back from it altogether, so something under "Total Abandonment" can eventually become "Temporary Shifts." The definitions feel sort of nebulous and I think grouping by something like country of origin or conglomerate would be easier to follow.
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I strongly agree. It is better to have Network Decay split by conglomerate for American television channels or country of origin for non-American television channels than by reason, given that a particular network can have multiple reasons over time for the network decay.
Edited by Nen_desharu on Jan 6th 2024 at 7:39:32 AM
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Should Literature of the 2010s (and also all the Literature of the XXXXs pages) be soft split via publishing year instead?
Edited by AudioSpeaks2 on Jan 6th 2024 at 10:50:43 PM
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I agree with alphabetical folder split.
I agree with the splits being nebulous. The only folder I'd leave is "In-Universe Examples", the rest can go. Also, does this page need notable aversions when the examples are plenty?
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Edited by ToonAbby on Jan 7th 2024 at 10:18:19 AM
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I think soft-splitting Summary.Video Games alphabetically is a fair compromise.
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Company Cross References only leaves specific companies on the page and put the other examples to CompanyCrossReferences.Other.
Why is this page like this? It's the company-specific examples that should get subpages, like already done with CompanyCrossReferences.Disney. How about merging CompanyCrossReferences.Other back to the main page?
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Instructional Film... oof. It's split into three AC headers, "Real Life," "Played Straight," and "Parodied," with no sorting by medium (and a lot of ZCE). Can we reorganize it as "Real Life" and "In Universe" and sort it by medium?
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Bumping my earlier
concern about Literary Work of Magic.
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I agree, splitting by Real Life and In-Universe and then sorting by medium sounds reasonable.
Caustic Critic is split between a Real Life and In-Universe examples, which makes sense to me... but the Real Life section is also split by medium, which doesn't.
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If it's split by what medium the critics focus on, I think it's a fair split.
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That's not what those labels are normally used for, and some of the normal distinctions between them (like Films — Animated vs. Films — Live-Action) don't make much sense in this context.
(x6) I say "Real Life" "In Universe" are enough soft splits for it and should be sorted by medium from there.
(x5) I think that's a better way to sort the page, which its seems you already did.
Any thoughts on merging CompanyCrossReferences.Other back to Company Cross References? The main page only lists a less amount of company specific examples than what's in "Other".
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Asking again, but is it fine if I soft split Short Story by "author" and by "title"?
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By title you mean alphabetically, right?
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Yeah, but authors get their own section
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In addition, should short story collections like Her Body and Other Parties be put in their own "collections" section?
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WhatDoYouMeanItsForKids.Film subpage should be split in two subpages: WhatDoYouMeanItsForKids.Animated Films and WhatDoYouMeanItsForKids.Live Action Films
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I agree. Tropers reached the consensus that animated films were to be a separate category from live-action films long ago. Some pages, especially the kilowicked ones, are stuck in the old merged form, I think.
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So it's okay to create them ?
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While the Western Animation sub-page for The Other Darrin has its folders sorted by alphabetical order, with a folder exclusive to the George Floyd/BLM-related example, several folders (especially the "#-F" and "G-N" folders) take up almost half of the page in terms of length. In particular, shows with a decade-long history (The Simpsons, South Park, SpongeBob SquarePants) or have multiple iterations of itself (Looney Tunes, Mickey Mouse/Disney in general, Scooby-Doo, anything from DC or Marvel) have a lot of examples that would be best suited for their own work-specific pages (or the Cross Medium sub-page for the latter examples). I've already split the sub-pages for Anime and Manga and Video Games a while ago, and both of which were sorted by three or four letters rather than eight, including a folder specific for series with the letter S in their title, so I thought that we should split the page to make it look less bloated while also giving the Long-Runners their own pages. "The name's Uzume Tennouboshi! Yeah, it's pretty badass, I know." - Uzume, Megadimension Neptunia VII
The example list on The Title Saga has two sections but I don't quite get the difference. Anyone? Is this softsplit useful?
So, I've noticed on a number of pages in the literature section that there is a soft split between sorting examples by Author and by Work. For example, The Morlocks has this split. I'd previously also posted an ATT thread (linked below) regarding this issue, but learned of this project and was wondering if this might be a better place to discuss it?
ATT Thread: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/query.php?parent_id=130778&type=att
Regarding Summary.Video Games, its namesake folder had its "sorted by genres" soft-split reverted
via this post
, but the folder itself is still too long. One of my earlier suggestions (Per thread
) for a soft-split was by sorting the games in alphabetical order rather than by genre (with Licensed Games remaining at the bottom), sort of like this:
Video Games
Edited by ToonAbby on Jan 5th 2024 at 11:43:23 AM
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