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Throughout this site, some tropers have a habit of adding in potholes and references to their favorite reviewers in entries, e.g. "Come see (reviewer)'s take on it here!"

Not only is it often unnecessary, but in some cases if the critic in question is a Caustic Critic it can be used to invite complaining, on top of crossing over into Reviews Are the Gospel territory since these tropers often treat these reviewers as if their opinion is fact.

Per this thread in Wiki Talk, this thread has been created in Long-Term Projects to clean up this kind of thing and Reviews Are the Gospel-type stuff in general.

REMEMBER: This criteria, made by mightymewtron, should be followed for knowing when to keep reviewer potholes:

If it's a widespread opinion and the entry can stand on its own, and the reviewer just helps explain it, then I don't think it's doing harm.

Edited by themayorofsimpleton on Feb 3rd 2021 at 3:28:10 PM

MisterApes-a-lot Since: Mar, 2018
#876: Oct 17th 2023 at 4:20:20 AM

[up] I feel like this very entry and its quotes have been brought up before, maybe in ATT. That aside, I don't think either quote is particularly necessary, especially as lengthy paragraphs.

DoktorvonEurotrash Since: Jan, 2001
#877: Oct 17th 2023 at 5:44:05 AM

[up][up]Both quotes can be cut, IMO.

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#878: Oct 17th 2023 at 7:43:01 AM

[up] The Drinker's page was cut anyway so it wouldn't hurt to remove.

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DongwaChan Since: Feb, 2019
#879: Dec 21st 2023 at 6:03:16 AM

Bringing this up from Face on a Milk Carton. The added quote (which comes off as typical "edgy 2000s online reviewer" snark) is very needless and needs to go, and just seems to add to the general complaining about the comic.

  • In All-Star Batman & Robin, the Boy Wonder a.k.a. ASBAR, Superman sees the face of Dick Grayson on a milk carton. Particularly jarring, as Dick had been taken in by Batman that very day. From one review of the comic.
    ...it's actually been a long enough ride in the Batmobile for Dick to have been reported missing, for his name to get to the missing persons groups, for them to submit his information to the milk company, for the milk company to print the cartons, distribute the cartons, and then for Clark Kent to go to the grocery store and buy the carton of milk. Let's see, by my rough estimate, that means that Batman and Dick have been on the way to the Batcave for, oh, about FIVE FUCKING WEEKS now.

MisterApes-a-lot Since: Mar, 2018
#880: Dec 21st 2023 at 6:56:28 AM

I guess just snip the quote and the last line of the paragraph.

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#881: Mar 16th 2024 at 9:14:18 PM

On AmericansHateTingle.Pokemon:

  • Cute Pokémon in general. Duckyworth, while reviewing Pokémon: Giratina and the Sky Warrior, had one of his complaints be about Giratina’s lack of appearance, appearing in only five of the first 43 minutes of the film and instead giving more focus to the "annoying green flower rat" Shaymin instead. In Japan, there is a bigger focus on the lighter, cuter aspects of a franchise, whereas, in most of the merchandising and the anime, mainly cute Pokémon take up the spotlight; while there is more focus on the "manlier" aspects in Western culture. Hence, the cuter Legendary and Mythical Pokémon tend to get a bigger focus in these films (for reference, the movie is called Giratina and the Sky's Bouquet: Shaymin there instead). Eevee and its evolutions are a major exception here, as they tend to be immensely popular worldwide.

Seems odd to cite some random Deviantart user as if they were some reputable critic, does it not?

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SpongeBat1 Since: Jul, 2012
#882: Mar 16th 2024 at 9:34:19 PM

[up]That and it's just straight-up wrong. America loves cute Pokemon - maybe certain older/"hardcore" fans prefer non-cute ones, but Pikachu, Eevee, Teddiursa, Scorbunny, etc. have tons of merch down here because kids and casuals love cute shit.

Admittedly I myself am not a devoted Pokemon fan so I wouldn't know what the major consensus is, but either way one single rando on DeviantArt probably isn't the most reputable source for the majority opinion.

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#883: Mar 16th 2024 at 9:39:04 PM

It's definitely not as black and white as it's made to seem. America loves a lot of the edgy pokemon, but we also love a lot of the cuties.

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#884: Mar 16th 2024 at 10:43:47 PM

It's more like Americans seem to complain more about "badass" Pokemon not getting screentime, but a lot of people (including, y'know, kids) really like the cute Pokemon. Some of these entries sound like complaining that a family anime isn't focusing on what adult fans think is cool, not even that it's not focusing on what Americans think is cool.

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#885: Mar 16th 2024 at 11:12:33 PM

I also think the problem with the Giratina movie specifically is that people found Shaymin super annoying.

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#886: Mar 29th 2024 at 2:23:28 PM

Do w really need the reference to the Angry Video Game Nerd here? From VideoGame.Pit Fall

Super Pitfall, a sequel/loose remake of Lost Caverns, was released in 1986 for the Nintendo Entertainment System. All that needs to be said about that game is that The Angry Video Game Nerd has reviewed it.

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SpongeBat1 Since: Jul, 2012
#887: Mar 29th 2024 at 2:25:48 PM

Nope, it's a ZCE, lists the reception in the description, and tells you absolutely nothing about the game.

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#888: Apr 5th 2024 at 5:23:52 PM

So, I found this on YMMV.Lady Ballers

  • Broken Aesop:
    • The movie's message is that trans athletes are a threat to the sanctity of women's sports. This is despite the repeated dunks on women's sports as being lesser than "real" (read: Cis Men's) sports and inherently deserving of less respect.
    Cody Johnston: [...]and as I mentioned before, this film doesn't seem to have a single women's basketball player represented as a character, and actually seems to hate the WNBA. They have repeated jokes from like 20 years ago about how nobody watches women's basketball, and the other players are mainly portrayed as pouty props. Their starting premise is that any man could beat any woman at any sport. It has no respect for, or interest in, the thing it's claiming to defend and protect, to the point that it seems ignorant and hostile to it. And that's just so weird to do when the thing you're trying to say is that this is all about preserving the dignity of women's sports.

Now it was deleted without edit reason before being added back due to no edit reason being given, but I am wondering if the quote is necessary. Like the entry doesn't mention him beforehand and it feels weird to just drop a quote in there.

Edited by Bullman on Apr 5th 2024 at 10:46:23 AM

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MisterApes-a-lot Since: Mar, 2018
#889: Apr 5th 2024 at 8:20:47 PM

I think the quote elaborates on the example's point enough that it's fine to keep. Might be a little long, but I dunno.

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#890: Apr 6th 2024 at 1:52:58 AM

Yeah the entry doesn't need the quote persay, but the entry isn't hurt by having it, so I don't mind its presence

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#891: Apr 24th 2024 at 7:06:07 PM

(disregard)

Edited by AnotherOnlinePersona on Apr 25th 2024 at 9:34:03 AM

Anddrix Since: Oct, 2014
#892: May 7th 2024 at 2:53:09 AM

Found these on YMMV.Chip N Dale Rescue Rangers:

DoktorvonEurotrash Since: Jan, 2001
#893: May 7th 2024 at 4:28:24 AM

Kinda on the fence about the second one (because it sounds pretty fun), but it can probably go. First one should definitely go.

Also, the first one is a bit of a ZCE without the link (I can't picture how that scene would look like an innuendo).

rasterax Since: Sep, 2023
#894: May 7th 2024 at 5:00:42 AM

First one is zero context, and judging from the screengrab on the linked site, also feels like misuse/shoehorn. Dale gets wrestled to the ground and the characters fight; does that really look "like something else"? Second one I'd keep.

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#895: May 7th 2024 at 5:38:00 AM

I too would cut the first but keep the second.

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costanton11 Since: Mar, 2016
#896: May 7th 2024 at 5:49:34 AM

There's this example from YMMV.The Simpsons Movie under They Wasted a Perfectly Good Character:

  • The Nostalgia Critic felt that the Boob Lady could have been used to tie up a few loose ends. She could have been sending Grandpa psychic visions and compelled Homer to go to Alaska, Spider-Pig could have been her spirit animal.

SharkToast Since: Mar, 2013
#897: May 7th 2024 at 6:09:52 AM

It's never implied she was responsible for those things in the movie. This is just a reviewer suggesting their own storyline. I'd say cut.

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DoktorvonEurotrash Since: Jan, 2001
#899: May 7th 2024 at 6:53:05 AM

Agree to cut, that's incredibly tenuous.


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