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Throughout this site, some tropers have a habit of adding in potholes and references to their favorite reviewers in entries, e.g. "Come see (reviewer)'s take on it here!"

Not only is it often unnecessary, but in some cases if the critic in question is a Caustic Critic it can be used to invite complaining, on top of crossing over into Reviews Are the Gospel territory since these tropers often treat these reviewers as if their opinion is fact.

Per this thread in Wiki Talk, this thread has been created in Long-Term Projects to clean up this kind of thing and Reviews Are the Gospel-type stuff in general.

REMEMBER: This criteria, made by mightymewtron, should be followed for knowing when to keep reviewer potholes:

If it's a widespread opinion and the entry can stand on its own, and the reviewer just helps explain it, then I don't think it's doing harm.

Edited by themayorofsimpleton on Feb 3rd 2021 at 3:28:10 PM

randomtroper89 from The Fire Nation Since: Nov, 2010
#51: Apr 24th 2021 at 11:57:46 PM

This DesignatedHero.Video Games entry has to much of Spoony's opinion:

  • The protagonists from Final Fantasy XIII, particularly Snow, get utterly torn apart by Spoony for being this during his two and a half hour slamming of the game. Spoony constantly notes how while the protagonists just wholesale slaughter enemy soldiers without hesitation or regret and constantly destroy and blow things up (without caring who's inside, enemy or civilian) without even really knowing why they're doing it beyond vague motivations, while said soldiers are portrayed rather sympathetically as people who are trying to do what they think is right, are genuinely trying to protect Cocoon from a very real threat, have a very valid reason to be trying to stop the protagonists, and even do their best to limit collateral damage and take their enemies alive.
    Spoony: Whatever. The "good" guys have to escape on their own ship because their fight with Bartandelus caused catastrophic damage making the entire place explode, taking with it hundreds of soldiers and innocent technicians just doing their jobs protecting Cocoon from these murderous psychopaths...

The DesignatedHero.Live Action Films needs the Mystery Science Theater 3000 section broken up

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#52: Apr 25th 2021 at 5:08:10 AM

[up] For the first, the whole entry seems like complaining. I'm not sure if it can be kept, at least not as written. Maybe a rewrite to remove the Spoony references and make it less complain-y if it is valid (and I don't know much about Final Fantasy so I can't say if it is.)

The second does need to be split up. Maybe I'll get to it sometime, or someone else could. I don't know.

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randomtroper89 from The Fire Nation Since: Nov, 2010
#53: Apr 25th 2021 at 10:58:29 PM

I made a sandbox here. You can help me scrub all of the references to Mike and the bots if you wish.

fragglelover Since: Jun, 2012
#54: May 2nd 2021 at 8:21:17 AM

This is on Extreme Close-Up:

  • Many of the major Looney Tunes from Space Jam get an extreme closeup, as do Michael Jordan and Stan Podolak. These closeups are noted by The Nostalgia Critic in his review of the movie, triggering yet another spate of mouth-foaming histrionics.

Shadow8411 Since: Jul, 2019
#55: May 2nd 2021 at 8:44:53 AM

The second sentence seems irrelevant. Also, it's worth noting that no other example on the page makes any reference to reviewers.

Nen_desharu Nintendo Fanatic Extraordinaire from Greater Smash Bros. Universe or Toronto Since: Aug, 2020 Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#56: May 2nd 2021 at 8:23:59 PM

Final Death:

Action-Adventure folder:

  • As mentioned by the AVGN, in The Wizard of Oz, if the Lion, Scarecrow, or Tin Man die, they're dead for the rest of the game. Though you can pick up lives for all three of them, they're pretty rare in comparison to Dorothy's.

Kirby is awesome.
Delibirda from Splatsville Since: Sep, 2020 Relationship Status: I wanna be your dog
#57: May 3rd 2021 at 1:07:05 AM

Are there any references to emgo316 in the Transformers pages?

"Listen up, Marina, because this is SUPER important. Whatever you do, don't eat th“ “DON'T EAT WHAT?! Your text box ran out of space!”
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#58: May 3rd 2021 at 2:18:08 AM

[up][up]Seems minor enough to just cut the AVGN reference.

mightymewtron Angry babby from New New York Since: Oct, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Angry babby
#59: May 3rd 2021 at 1:00:14 PM

[up][up] I don't know who that is. The only reviewer I know with some notoriety for Transformers movies is Lindsay Ellis.

I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.
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#60: May 3rd 2021 at 1:27:42 PM

[up]Emgo is a reviewer for Transformers toys, not movies.

The best character is always the one-shot disguise.
Shadow8411 Since: Jul, 2019
#61: May 5th 2021 at 1:43:20 PM

From OK K.O.! Let's Be Heroes S 1 E 47 Let's Not Be Skeletons:

Even if this counts as a citation, most of the context relies on a weblink. Could the example do with more context, or is "(Reviewer) discusses this here: [weblink to review]" still enough?

mightymewtron Angry babby from New New York Since: Oct, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Angry babby
#62: May 5th 2021 at 2:10:45 PM

[up]Weblinks Are Not Examples, so it needs more context to explain what the implications are. Also, does Enter really think the episode has unfortunate implications, or does he just think it's a Broken Aesop? I know his review of the episode is... quite controversial.

I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.
Nen_desharu Nintendo Fanatic Extraordinaire from Greater Smash Bros. Universe or Toronto Since: Aug, 2020 Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#63: May 5th 2021 at 8:33:00 PM

[up]x5 AVGN reference has been removed.

Kirby is awesome.
Anddrix Since: Oct, 2014
#64: May 6th 2021 at 3:55:43 AM

Found this on SoundtrackDissonance.Film:

  • According to Schaffrillas Productions, The Rise of Skywalker was quite egregious with this as its score was largely cobbled together from the previous moviesnote . One example he points out is the mystical Binary Sunset (which he refers to as "the Force theme") playing during Rey blasting Palpatine with the Force.

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#65: May 6th 2021 at 4:12:29 AM

[up] I think it can be cut since the entry cannot stand on its own without the opinion of Schaffrillas. Or at the very least rewritten.

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costanton11 Since: Mar, 2016
#66: May 6th 2021 at 5:18:28 AM

[up]x4. Unfortunate Implications requires citations to credible sources, while he's just a YouTuber.

WoodKnapp94 Since: May, 2020
#67: May 6th 2021 at 12:18:20 PM

From Just Eat Gilligan:

RustBeard Since: Sep, 2016
#68: May 6th 2021 at 12:20:31 PM

Wasn't that supposed to be a joke within the context of the review?

mightymewtron Angry babby from New New York Since: Oct, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Angry babby
#69: May 6th 2021 at 12:59:44 PM

I think that's valid.

I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.
fragglelover Since: Jun, 2012
#70: May 13th 2021 at 7:01:23 AM

This is on Alvin and the Chipmunks (bit in question bolded):

  • Values Dissonance: In the Cinderella dream sequence episode, the Chipettes are shown bathing, seen from the waist up, with nipple dots drawn on. In the 80s no one may have thought much of it but in the modern days with concerns over adults sexualizing & molesting children, more so with the Chipettes looking like little girls, it comes off as a bit disturbing to some viewers. Dorkly Bits was visibly freaked out that the scene even existed when they reviewed inappropriate moments in cartoons. There were also the occasional panty shots of the Chipettes that have the same feel now.

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#71: May 13th 2021 at 9:36:08 AM

Cut the bolded piece of course.

The best character is always the one-shot disguise.
Anddrix Since: Oct, 2014
#72: May 13th 2021 at 12:27:55 PM

Bringing up these from C Me Dance:

DoktorvonEurotrash Since: Jan, 2001
#73: May 13th 2021 at 2:59:18 PM

[up]IMO, the second point can be cut. As for the first one, it seems legit if you cut the last sentence.

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Anddrix Since: Oct, 2014
#75: May 14th 2021 at 2:23:10 AM

Bringing up the following examples from Bonekickers and and it's YMMV page:


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