Marvel Cinematic Universe (MCU) Cleanup

I think we're on the same page then. The one thing "Sacred Timeline" has going for it is that it was used prominently enough in the one piece of media where it made an appearance that a casual fan would probably recognize the term (as opposed to two or three one-off, easily missable references like the numbers), but even then it's tied to that one particular show. Just referring to "main universe" or whatever is gonna be recognizable to everyone.

Then it seems to be settled, at least until Kang inevitably refers to it as Earth-616 in Young Avengers or Secret Wars or Ant-Man 3, then we'll have another "8 years later' situation on our hands and we'll all bring it up forever.

I would prefer the "Sacred Timeline" designation, if only because it’s an MCU thing that won’t be mistaken for the comics like 616 would.

Seems like consensus is on favor of using "Main universe" or any variation of "Main" from now on. Would it be appropriate to start editing the entries referencing this thread?

^ Except that "Sacred Timeline" is on pretty much similar terms as 616. It was only used on the context of a single series, and it doesn't make sense to be used after the end of Loki since there's pretty much no Sacred Timeline anymore.

Edited by Edgar81539 on May 15th 2022 at 9:41:06 AM

I found this page: Avengers Tetralogy. The description is useless (essentially just a big blob of names), there are only seven tropes and about half of them only describe a single movie, and the page is not wicked anywhere, not even on indexes. In all honesty, I believe that the page is redundant with the main Marvel Cinematic Universe, as unlike with the MCU Spider-Man Trilogy (a page made by the same person, but in a much better state), which are clearly sequels that follow up on plot points, the Avengers movies have never really been advertised as its own thing and have always been treated as big events of the greater MCU.

Wow, that block quote is longer than all the other entries. Seems the page either needs tons of work or removed entirely. The Spider-Man one seems redundant too.

Maybe a hot take...but what do people think about defranchising Characters.Marvel Cinematic Universe to some extent?

I am primarily concerned about supporting characters and how difficult it is to navigate to them from the work pages. MCU: United States Citizens and its subpages for example are only useful from a lore POV and not at all from an organization POV, as they just cramming together supporting casts of like twenty different works who have nothing to do with each other otherwise. Christine Palmer and Jack Denton only have a Continuity Nod (that they work at the same hospital) tying them together. Katy Chen and Cassie Lang have only a city. The fact that MCU: Citizens - Westview and similar pages are already split away shows that there's a desire to keep show-specific characters together.

I think there's a way to keep the major players "franchised" while making sure their supporting casts are organized in a way that makes sense, but before I expend brainpower on coming up with a plan for that, I wanted to hear this thread's thoughts.

Edited by Synchronicity on Jun 9th 2022 at 1:19:22 PM

I'm in favor of reorganizing Characters.Marvel Cinematic Universe to sort characters by work instead of by organization or other affiliated group.

Not sure what to do for the character-specific pages.

• Listing them under their debut work with subbullets should make sense most of the time. However, there are edge cases where someone with their own page shows up for the first time in a credits scene and has a more involved role in later works (e.g. Nick Fury, Thanos).
• We could also have a list of the CSPs near the top of the main Character page and link back to them from the work character pages as needed. This one feels impractical to me because we currently have 57 MCU Character Specific Pages and will only get more over time; a consolidated list of CSPs would take up a browser window or two on desktop.

CS Ps would be the least affected; they could just be linked in every work or Cast Herd they appear in.

Just letting everyone know that there is now a thread specifically for the MCU Character Pages. See here for more info.

I notice ImageSource.Marvel Cinematic Universe is in chronological, rather than alphabetical, order. This is atypical to how indexes — including fellow Image Source subpages — are arranged. Rearrange?

Going back to re-organizing MCU general pages and migrating entries to specific YMMV pages where possible, do you agree that it would probably be a better idea to move the TV series entries for Fan Preferred Couple to their designated YMMV pages? In my opinion the film-related entries, such as Steve/Tony, Steve/Bucky, and Clint/Natasha, make sense on a franchise page like this because the shipping behavior is not limited to specific movies, but meanwhile FP Cs for specific shows usually are and tend not to leave the confines of the cast or fandom for that specific work. E.g. if Matt Murdock/Colleen Wing was an FPC then it might make sense to have an entry here, but his most popular ships are all other Daredevil characters.

Makes sense to me. Put a note at the top of the page that that page should be for franchise-wide examples.

We already had the "characters organized by work" a few years back and it was way more messy. I agree that the "United States Citizens" is too long. I propose we keep splitting it geographically, as we have done with Westview and other locations

I want to move Elektra to the Defenders Allies section. Thoughts?

Edit: Whoops, wrong thread. Taking it to MCU Characters Thread.

Edited by GateStarX on Jul 29th 2022 at 10:20:11 AM

TheBusCameBack.Marvel Cinematic Universe needs a look-see. The Bus Came Back isn't just "character came back after x years", they must have been explicitly Put on a Bus i.e. written out. Examples like Blonsky (he was Put on a Prison Bus) and Jane (they broke up) count but examples have to say what bus they got on.

Alright, so Wakanda Forever just came out, and I think there's a bit of a debate to have over the placement of tropes related to a spoiler character who appears at the very end of the film. Specifically, Prince T'Challa, the son of King T'Challa. I originally wrote a description for the character under the existing T'Challa page, given that this new character is seemingly set up to be his long-term replacement/successor. However, another editor moved it over the the Wakandan Government and Military section.

The way I see it, either can be acceptable, but in the long-term, it might make more sense to stick with the T'Challa page. I figured that it would be best to ask around here to figure out what to do. More of my thoughts on the matter can be read here.

He certainly should not go on T'Challa's page. He might be named after T'Challa, but he's still a different person. He's not a Variant or something like that.

So I was going to create a new entry for Wanda on DracoInLeatherPants.Marvel Cinematic Universe. She used to have one that was only focused on her Age of Ultron but it was removed due being limited to one work, but now with her actions in regards to Multiverse of Madness, I was wondering if it's okay to list her since she has now been a villain twice and fans have excused them both times greatly. So am I good to make one or is two not enough to justify?

I'd say go ahead, as long as it's a collective reaction that applies across multiple entries (and I'd say that she does). You can leave the entry on the AOU page alone as it's for the reaction specific to that work.

I hope this is the right thread to address this.

The recap pages for the episodes of Loki are named like this: Loki Episode 1 "Glorious Purpose".

But since there'll be a season two, I wonder if we should rename them. I like how the recap pages of What If are named (e.g. What If…? S1E1 "What If… Captain Carter Were the First Avenger?").

Do you think we should apply this formatting to the Loki episodes as well, or do you think it would be better to just go like Loki Season 2 Episode 1 "X", or possibly Loki S2E1 "X" for the S2 episodes? I don't like that the former is so long, and I don't like that the latter does not fit to the formatting of the naming of the S1 episodes if we don't format them like this as well.

Edited by Bi-Frost on Dec 18th 2022 at 3:17:56 PM

So everyone cool with me doing the Wanda Draco in Leather Pants entry?

I think it should be fine.

So, how is this:

• Wanda Maximoff's fans often downplay her more villainous actions, due to a combination of her sympathetic backstory, charisma, and Elizabeth Olsen's good looks. In the Avengers: Age of Ultron, she willing tried to help Ultron kill the Avengers before turning to the side of good due to disgust with Ultron's plan. However, while she does join the heroes, a lot of fans like to downplay her misdeeds, such as forcing the Hulk to attack a populated city, with some even trying to claim that Ultron forced her to do it even when there is no evidence of that. This returned with a vengeance when she became the Big Bad in Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness. A lot of fans like to portray her as the true hero of the movie due her main goal being wanting to reunite with her children. However, this ignores the fact that to achieve this goal, she plans to kill an innocent girl and slaughters anyone in her path.

Looks good.

In case anyone is not yet aware, the community has agreed on a new policy for listing foreign voice actors on character pages. What this means for MCU cleanup is that characters should have headers reading (e.g.)

Portrayed By: Chris Evans

Voiced By: Walker Roach (fictionalized version in Agent Carter)^{additional VAs} José Antonio Macías (Latin-American Spanish dub), Raúl Llorens (European Spanish dub), Yūichi Nakamura (Japanese dub), Maël Davan-Soulas [Phase 1], Alexandre Gillet [Phase 2 onwards] (European French dub), Alexandre Fortin (Canadian French dub), Clécio Souto, Duda Espinoza (Brazilian Portuguese dub)