Misused (alt titles crowner 8 April 2020): Trope 2000

~Brainulator9 — Your argument seems to be consistent that X000 is sufficient context by itself to be a trope. I don't agree. Remember, I don't think this is a title trope, I think this is a Naming Convention. It is often used to name things in works and only sometimes used to name the work.

Title by Number is the trope for "any title with a number", and the Super-Trope for Annual Title. I find your argument acceptable there, but not here.

Context for Noun 2000 should provide information on how the name is "cool, edgy and cutting-edge".

Your claim that we don't need context for a work title would dictate that 1900 belongs in Trope 2000 because the title is "cool, edgy and cutting-edge" due to being a large number.

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I feel like a crowner would be good at this point. Since there's been some disagreement regarding what the definition is, should it be a Page Action crowner, so both the definition and the name can be resolved on one crowner? (The rename option would just be for whether the trope should be renamed, not what the new name should be.)

Either way, I think this works better as a Naming Convention than a title trope, since a Naming Convention would be less restrictive when it comes to what's allowed. I previously gave an example of the use of a multiple of 1,000 to imply cutting-edge technology.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Feb 27th 2020 at 11:58:51 AM

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Naming Convention is fine by me.

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keep as Naming Convention; thus, I'm against Title 2000 if it comes to a rename for Trope 2000. Goosey-Grow 4000, Nimbus 2000, Poltergust 3000, and other examples are not work titles but names for devices.

I'm fine with making this a naming convention. There are legitimate examples of this that go beyond the name of the trope, after all.

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Agreed. This is much more a naming convention than anything else, and I'd be behind declaring it as such.

I agree with making this a naming convention. I'm going through the wicks right now (wick check should be done by tomorrow). The most notable (and annoying) thing I'm finding is that people keep using curly brackets to pothole to the trope, as if the wiki word won't work with digits in it. So whatever we decide can we add a note to the page about how writing Trope2000 (or w/e name) will yield Trope 2000.

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I totally missed this. I agree that stuff released in '99 or '00 that just uses 2000 as a year shouldn't count for the trope.

Why not? It's usually used to mean "futuristic and cool and modern", not "this work exists in the year 2000". There's a reason these works are called "Work2000".

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I mean stuff that's titled specifically for the year instead of to seem futuristic, e.g. Madden 2000.

Here's a crowner for deciding whether this should be renamed, since it seems like most are in favor of having it as a naming convention.

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I wonder what relation to Meaningful Release Date... I guess the ones named for the year, have it in tandem...

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Here is my wick check. I did this because I was curious what we could rename this. I think we already were in agreement that the name needed changing.

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Should we set up the crowner now? We're all in agreement, but just as a formality? Or do we skip right to "What do we rename this as"?

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I think a crowner is in order for the "Make this a Naming Convention." I don't think we need the single prop for renaming this as the thread was opened on the condition that "trope as a placeholder" needs to be changed. We could use two different crowners — one for solutions to the other problems and another as an Alt Names crowner for the different name options.

[EDIT: I forgot to add the redefinition to suit the Annual Title option (in the list below).]

The following not-exhaustive list could go on as options for a Page Action crowner. I'm not the one to suggest these definitions, though I am separating them because one seems to be an objective trope and the other seems to be an Audience Reaction. I personally think cool-ness / "being hip" and edginess are Audience Reactions (of awe / joy and cringe respectively). Also, I included "make this a subtrope of AT" simply to give people the option. We've discussed that this isn't an Annual Title, but a significant portion of the wicks were to Annual Title and I think it needs to be on the crowner.

• Make this concept a subtrope of Naming Convention. (Not a subtrope of Annual Title or Title by Number.)
• Make this concept a subtrope of Annual Title. (Not a subtrope of Naming Convention.)
• Redefine as "A number in the name (e.g. 2000, 9000, 300, etc.) in order to convey advanced technology, futuristic technology, or power." (Trope)
• Redefine as "A number in the name (e.g. 2000, 9000, 300, etc.) in order to convey cool-ness, edginess, radicalness." (YMMV?)
• Redefine as "The year 2000 (or similar) in the title in order to connote the new millennium and advances in technology."
• Do nothing TRS-related (other than a rename, which needs to happen anyway).

Some alt name suggestions (with some of my own suggestions):

• Name 2000
• Noun 2000
• Futuristic Sounding Numbered Name
• Advanced Tech 2000
• Two Thousand And Advanced (wiki word "2000 and Advanced")
• Device 2000
• Instantly Advanced Just Add 2000 (wiki word "Instantly Advanced: Just Add 2000!")

Edited by WaterBlap on Mar 5th 2020 at 2:59:54 AM

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I posted the Single Proposition crowner for renaming four days ago, but it never got hooked, even though I'm pretty sure I hollered.

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That's been happening quite a bit lately, unfortunately. The mods seem to be pretty busy as of late...

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For what it's worth, update on the single prop:

• 9:1 consensus in favor of renaming.

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Double post bump and update. The single prop is now at 10:1 in favor of renaming.

Should I go ahead and make the Page Action crowner? If we decide to redefine the trope, that would affect what name we'd choose... Or does anybody have other comments on the above suggestion for items to vote on?

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I hollar'ed for a Moderator to close the crowner, and I'd like for it to be closed before we move onto the next step, but we should be able to discuss the options a bit while waiting.

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Description: TRS has voted to rename this trope [link]. Before we vote on names, let's refine exactly what this trope is trying to accomplish.

• A) This concept is a subtrope of Naming Conventions. (Not a subtrope of Annual Title or Title by Number.)
• B) This concept is a subtrope of Title by Number and Annual Title. (Not a subtrope of Naming Conventions.)
• 1) Redefine as "A number in the name (e.g. 2000, 9000, 300, etc.) in order to convey advanced technology, futuristic technology, or power."
• 2) Redefine as "A number in the name (e.g. 2000, 9000, 300, etc.) in order to convey cool-ness, edginess, radicalness."
  • I agree that "to be cool or edgy" appears to be more of an Audience Reaction, but I expected to get disagreement, so I wasn't trying to argue that point earlier. If this option gets chosen, I'd like us to vote on it being YMMV.
• 3) Redefine as "The year 2000 (or similar) in the title in order to connote the new millennium and advances in technology."
  • I'd instead prefer the option to split this idea away, and tie this concept to Title by Number;
  • 3) Split off a new trope, defined as "The year 2000 (or similar) in the title in order to connote the new millennium with progress and remakes", a subtrope to Title by Number.
• 0) Do nothing TRS-related (other than a rename, which needs to happen anyway). This concept remains a subtrope of Title by Number.

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Yeah, I'm not sure that the "cool and edgy" variant is YMMV because it doesn't really matter if the audience find it cool, just if the creator's intent was to be cool. Think less Awesome Moment and more Rule of Cool; you can usually tell when a story does something just because it's cool and hip, and that has no bearing on how the audience feels. I feel it and point 3 are actually very similar, if only because things that are futuristic and modern are often considered "cool".

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My problem is that I have trouble seeing the difference between the two. This "cool" is subjective, but technology and modernization is objective in comparison. In theory, RoC is limited by Willing Suspension of Disbelief, which is also a subjective experience.

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Everyone good on A, B, 1, 2, 3, 0 as options on a multi-prop crowner?

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