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Deadlock Clock: Sep 29th 2018 at 11:59:00 PM
N1KF (Ten years in the joint) Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
#1: Jun 11th 2018 at 10:11:53 PM

The article seems to be a trope or a Useful Notes page in disguise. All the tropes listed are general, except Color-Coded for Your Convenience which references Care Bears, which means it's just taking an example from another work with its own page. If a work page doesn't have any clear, independent examples, should it really be a work page?

On the Related To page, I checked the first ten wicks, minus Completed Namespace Migrations. Of these, both Beary Funny and Beary Friendly reference it in the page description as if it's a trope or a Useful Notes page. It's listed as a trope in Among the Sleep, and the other seven pages reference it in trope examples as if it's a trope. Typically, a work page has its own examples on trope pages, but the whole sample I got shows it's not being used that way.

Nobody owns the idea of a Teddy Bear. This page is to Toys what a Film.Horror Movies page would be to movies. That alone puts it on flimsy territory, and I think this should be fixed.

edited 11th Jun '18 10:13:11 PM by N1KF

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#2: Jun 12th 2018 at 12:42:42 AM

It's a type of toy, like action figure or building blocks (which is closest represented with Built with LEGO). If anything, it's probably on the level of a genre of toys.

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#3: Jun 12th 2018 at 7:46:54 AM

I agree with moving to useful notes.

crazysamaritan NaNo 4328 / 50,000 from Lupin III Since: Apr, 2010
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#4: Jun 12th 2018 at 1:40:06 PM

If anything, it's probably on the level of a genre of toys.
I'd be fine with that, but the page currently describes a work, not a genre.

Changing to Useful Notes or Genre (using the Main namespace and would index works in the genre) both seem like good ideas.

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Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
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#5: Jun 15th 2018 at 11:08:09 AM

Teddy bears almost always are Beary Friendly and avert Bears Are Bad News. Teddy bears are not fierce; they like to give hugs!

This sounds like the page stops talking about the toy and just retreads tropes about that toy.

I think a distinction should be made between, say, a GI Joe as a toy, which has a theme and backstory and associated media, and a teddy bear, which really is just the generic object. I think this page makes much more sense as either a Useful Notes page, or a genre of toys.

edited 15th Jun '18 11:08:55 AM by Redmess

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#6: Aug 22nd 2018 at 11:25:30 PM

Clock is set.

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#7: Aug 23rd 2018 at 11:20:56 AM

Well, a GI Joe is a branded toy. The relevant "genre" of toy for the GI Joe toyline would be, what, "action figure"? (For other genres, there's potentially also "toys-to-life," dolls, baby dolls, toy cars, LEGO-esque building blocks, etc.)

I think it would be interesting for the Toys/ namespace to have genre pages, but the problem there is sheer number (imo). There's only a hundred or so works pages in Toys/, and so the relevant question here would be: "Are there enough works pages in Toys/ about teddy bears to create a non-stub genre index?" Because if it's a genre page, then we can't inflate it with a "teddy bears in media" section. I suppose we could start it off short and encourage people to create new pages for the sake of the namespace and index...?

I don't think this would be a useful Useful Notes page. This isn't exactly something writers and creators need to do research on in order to better portray something in media...

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crazysamaritan NaNo 4328 / 50,000 from Lupin III Since: Apr, 2010
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#8: Aug 23rd 2018 at 5:59:56 PM

A genre page would have a description and index pages (even Red Link pages). I don't think it is ideal, but we do have other genre pages with few-to-no works listed. (LARP comes to mind; the number of "works" to "pages" is definitely skewed).

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#9: Aug 31st 2018 at 10:21:29 AM

There's a draft in TLP for a trope called "The Teddy Bear" which may be worth mentioning here. link

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#10: Sep 26th 2018 at 10:42:12 PM

Resetting clock.

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#11: Sep 30th 2018 at 10:45:03 PM

Clock is up with no progress; closing.

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