Suggestion: Latino Is Brown

I propose a change for the current image used for this trope since the person in question (Alberto Fujimori) is an infamous dictator who is currently being judged by crimes against humanity and corruption.

I’d say pull it for being JAFAAC.

It should be pulled, certainly.

Yeah, pull for being JAFAAC (and an aversion...how does that help in illustrating at all...)

Not sure how to go about picturing this... something like this from Elena of Avalor, perhaps captioned "Guess which one isn't Latinx?" Or something like this◊ from Marvel's Ultimates?

edited 17th Nov '17 9:46:57 AM by Synchronicity

Yank it.

Hm, someone (DesertDragon) now changed the picture without discussion to one of a Mexican boxer.

Also, why is there not an "Image Pickin' Discussion" link on top of the Latino Is Brown page? Possibly because the title is miscapitalized in OP above?

edited 18th Nov '17 3:59:43 PM by LB7979

Now there is and summoning ~Desert Dragon.

I've commented out the new pic and tagged the page for this thread.

Uh, you didn't tag the picture in your post.

I didn’t pull it, otherwise I’d’ve posted it. When we decide on something officially, that pic can be brought over.

Why should the picture not show a notable aversion?

I mean this trope is in part to point out how ridiculous it is to think Latin@s come in exactly one shade while Anglo-Americans (who are much more whitebread, especially outside areas majorly affected by slavery) come in all hues...

edited 22nd Nov '17 2:18:09 PM by Jhonny

I'm pretty sure that the only notable aversions are those for Omnipresent Tropes or Universal Tropes.

Also, the image is supposed to be illustrative of the trope.

This doesn't seem to make sense. This isn't about Anglo-Americans. It's about a stereotype of Latinos.

I'm not sure if this can be illustrated without an intentional parody or something to that effect.

edited 20th Nov '17 2:52:33 PM by WaterBlap

Desert Dragon here. Honestly I wouldn't have directly changed the image pic had I known there was a discussion. As mentioned earlier, it wasn't on top of the page. Anyway, I propose using Canelo Alverez because he is a perfect demonstration of the fact that not all Latinx people have brown skin and black hair. And being a pro athlete who—as far as I can tell—has had no run-ins with the law, he shouldn't be as controversial as the previous photo subject.

Just showing a picture of a brown-skinned Latinx person is pointless at best or offensive if it's just a stereotype. I personally think the best solution is to show someone from Latin America who isn't the stereotypical image, and a ginger (or an Asian) does the job perfectly.

edited 21st Nov '17 3:07:56 PM by DesertDragon

Why not showing a Spanish character played by a brown-skinned actor (or character if is animated)? Spanish are Latinos (Latino is everyone who speaks a Romance language, but even in the most narrow sense as Spanish-speaking still counts) but most Spanish are light-skinned.

Or show a non-Latino actor playing a Latin character just because they are brown.

Because a picture of a random Latino character (or a brown-skinned actor playing Latino) doesn't prove anything. That's Just A Face And A Caption. A pale redhead holding a Mexican flag, on the other hand, proves that people from the Latin world can look like anything.

Spanish aren't considered latino. They're hispanic, not latino.

All image changes need a discussion, whether or not there's a tag on top.

But the trope isn't "Latinx people have a wide range of phenotypes," it's "Latinx people have a specific phenotype, which is olive skin and dark hair." It's wrong and stereotypical, but it shows up in a lot of media, so it is what it is. The image is supposed to supplement the trope itself by showing straight/lampshaded/etc. examples (eg. other "discredited stereotype tropes" like Mighty Whitey and Mellow Yellow or The Savage Indian). That said, "Latinx character holding a flag or Wearing a Flag on Your Head" might be a good way to get this across.

Now that's just Spexico.

edited 21st Nov '17 7:35:17 PM by Synchronicity

Well, I stated my case, so if someone has any better ideas, go for it.

Something like this◊?

edited 22nd Nov '17 8:58:15 AM by Millership

Sorry I wanted to write two things at once and it came out garbled....

My point is: There are two multicultural blobs in the Americas mostly defined by language. The Latin blob (which by the way was called "Hispanoamerica" prior to the machinations of Napoleon III, but let's not get sidetracked) which speaks Spanish (if you exclude Brazil) and comes in all shapes, sizes, hues and whatnot and the Anglo blob which comes in all shapes, sizes, hues and whatnot. True, certain ethnicities are more common - Anglos tend to have less Indigenous American blood (though quite a bit of the Antebellum Upper Crust of Virginia proudly claimed direct descent from Pocahontas) , whereas Latin@s tend to have less Irish blood, but overall any given hyphen-Anglo is just as likely to have a hyphen-Latino counterpart. There are Asian-Latinos like there are Asian-Anglos and there are Afro-Latinos just like there are Afro-Anglos. Why wouldn't there be?

That’s ludacris, Hispanic is a sub-branch of Latinx. Spanish is a Latin language, saying that someone is Hispanic and not Latino is like saying that someone is Swedish, not Scandinavian. Even French, Italians and Romanians are also Latinos, that’s why the term Latin Europe exists. But for effects of the trope the use is almost always (wrongfully) refer to Spanish-speakers.

Yes indeed, the Trope is incorrect to begin with, as Latinos come in every color, including White (Gisele Budchen-Brazil), Black (Zoey Saldana-Dominican-Puerto Rican), Yellow (Harry Shum-Costa Rica) and of course Brown which is mostly what is known in Latin America as mestizo. What I’m not sure is if a trope should be illustrated with the opposite, that’s kind of a new concept. Nevertheless I do understand the intention of using an image that is not only sensitive, but also educates the reader on the subject matter.

edited 22nd Nov '17 4:29:45 PM by Luppercus

In any case, a possibility would be something like this◊ with the caption: Guess who of these girls is Latina? Answer: All of them.

(I was looking for a photo with Latinx celebrities of different colors but haven't found it, tho I'm sure it exists)

Crop of 19?

Maybe?