edited to add this information, since this is going to be a long clean-up
"Donald Trump, as with any other current political figure, should not be a subject of any trope example on the wiki, except:
- When the work in question specifically mentions the RL individual.
- When the entirety of the example has to do with the portrayal of that individual in the work.
- When the work is fictional.
All three of these must apply.
Alternatively:
- When the RL individual has a creative role themselves, such as writing or acting in a work. In this sense we give them no more nor less treatment then we would any other creator.
Additionally, please make sure to take out any examples of "Funny Aneurysm" Moment, Harsher in Hindsight, or Hilarious in Hindsight regarding these political figures. A political event that may be seen positively by some people may be seen negatively by others.
We're starting with the wicks to Donald Trump (There were 751 of them at the starting point of this count.)
Wicks have already been checked and cleared up to
2/14/17 Inherent in the System
Given the current political climate, talking about Donald Trump on this Wiki is a very sensitive topic and pretty much any comment on him could easily end up violating the Rule of Cautious Editing Judgment. I talked it over on Ask a Troper and a moderator gave me permission to start this topic. I feel it will be necessary to make sure any mention of him is safe and avoids politically charged or biased opinions. Right now, we need to stick to facts, not opinions.
Edited by SeptimusHeap on Jul 27th 2020 at 2:06:58 AM
Lost in Space
You might want to mention which edits, as I had to go back a bit. Definitely kill that WDYMINP example.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
- The Trump vs. Clinton episode of DBX. It was a joke episode like Bieber/Black with both candidates killing each other, but many people felt it was too much for a nation that wanted some escapism from a divisive election season. While it was praised for not taking sides like Epic Rap Battles of History did, it was criticized by some people who wanted to see Trump or Clinton kill their opponent. Many people thought it was aimed at fans of Clinton's highly popular Democratic primary opponent Bernie Sanders, but it was a wasted message since Sanders never appeared in the video.
Cut? It also seems too skewed to complaints to be Broken Base
![[up]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/smiles/arrow_up.png "[up]"){kind=icon}
Cut. Aside from ROCEJ concerns, it's not even a valid Broken Base entry since it focuses much more on the negative side than the positive side.
Edited by ADrago on Sep 30th 2018 at 3:49:40 PM
I found this on YMMV.Spider Man PS 4
- What Do You Mean, It's Not Political?: Loads of people online have compared J. Jonah Jameson to ultraconservative conspiracy theorist Alex Jones. One could also say that Norman Osborn in this game is an indictment of Donald Trump as he is a corporate executive elected to public office who focuses almost single-mindedly on his agenda, sometimes to the detriment of his staff, doesn't like to hear criticism of himself or his plans, and faces allegations of corruption from his time both as an executive and a public servant? The only difference is Trump doesn't have a highly funded PMC enforcing his will. Or a biological weapon that can wipe out a city like NYC in hours.
Blapper of Water
- When the work in question specifically mentions the RL individual.
- When the entirety of the example has to do with the portrayal of that individual in the work.
- When the work is fictional.
Alternatively:
- When the RL individual has a creative role themselves, such as writing or acting in a work. In this sense we give them no more nor less treatment then we would any other creator.
Looks like the Spider-Man entry is an easy cut, as the first four words are "loads of people online" — meaning it does not meet the second criterion. And the first criterion isn't met either, as the work doesn't specifically mention the RL persons.
Also, Fighteer literally said "Definitely kill that WDYMINP example."
Edited by WaterBlap on Oct 6th 2018 at 10:48:40 AM
Look at all that shiny stuff ain't they pretty
Lost in Space
There really isn't any point in asking if it's okay to delete things like that. Nuke it and refer to this topic in your edit reason. The only questionable examples would be cases matching the criteria I put forth originally, such as when Trump is referred to In-Universe. Any example mentioning him in any subjective context or referring to him as a real person (other than his role as a creator) should be axed.
Edited by Fighteer on Oct 15th 2018 at 9:33:34 AM
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
I'm not certain about this example from Final Fantasy XV:
- Take That!: Chapter 13, Verse 2 takes a few shots at the Trump Administration:
Gladiolus: I thought Aranea said the daemons were afraid of the Crystal.Ignis: It may be like moths to a flame — or it may be one of the empire's "alternative facts".
- Upon listening to a Imperial soldier's distress call on the radio at a safe room, Gladio remarks, "All the rest is probably just fake news."
Lost in Space
Questionable. It's an In-Universe reference but violates the ROCEJ. If I were writing the article, I'd leave it off.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
This is a title.
In Supergirl (2015) S4E2 "Fallout" the Does This Remind You of Anything? example compares Agent Liberty's rallying cry of Earth First to Trump.
- It even ends with Agent Liberty leading the crowd in a chant of "Earth first", recalling Donald Trump's use of "America first" and the British political organization Britain First.
Yeah or nay?
You fell victim to one of the classic blunders!
Not exactly Trump related, but someone recently posted this in the The New '10s page:
- Gayngst: With the Trump administration's hostility to LGBT rights, LGBT people have expressed anxiety and fear on social media over policy changes.
Should I toss this out or keep?
Friends forevermore
Dump it. It's a "trope associated with the era", but the writeup is far too anti-Trump.
Edited by bwburke94 on Nov 12th 2018 at 1:47:09 PM
I had a dog-themed avatar before it was cool.
Okay, I'll delete this trope. I may consider readding it in a more neutral point of view.
I found this on Push Polling. Is this okay or not? At the very least, the indentation would need to be changed.
- A similar theory was put forward about the election of Donald Trump over Hilary Clinton. There are a number of factors as to while polling was off, but some of the biggest accusations were that the largest political party in the Unitied States is unaffiliated/unregistered/independent (depends on the state, but basically the group of people who are registered to vote, but do not identify with one party over another) AND that polls were taken at a national level, which, while right most of the time, is utterly meaningless (see some of the Useful Notes sections on American politics as to why).
Also, I was going through wicks on Simpsons recap YMMV pages and found some examples that I'd like some more opinions on:
- The Simpsons S11E17 "Bart to the Future" has a couple of suspicious examples due to the episode accidentally predicting Trump's presidency. At the very least, I think the "Funny Aneurysm" Moment example should go. I'm not too sure about the rest.
- The Simpsons S13 E16: "Weekend at Burnsies'" includes a Trump reference that is almost certainly unnecessary, but also includes a reference to Barack Obama, which also falls afoul of the guidelines given in the thread's header, but I'm not sure if he still qualifies as a "current political figure" given that his presidency has ended.
- The Simpsons S17 E8: "The Italian Bob" has a "Funny Aneurysm" Moment example involving Trump, but the scene in question directly mentioned him and the example doesn't seem biased against him. I don't know if it should be kept or deleted.
Edited by Someoneman on Nov 20th 2018 at 12:29:43 PM
The Roseanne Barr page should probably be zapped, as the description severely violates the ROCEJ and the history for the page especially
is skeevy.
Roseanne Barr should at least be rewritten to be neutral and locked.
Edited by ADrago on Nov 20th 2018 at 12:09:48 PM
This is a title.
MCU: Criminals & Terrorists – Fisk Crime Ring suggests that Wilson Fisk is based on Trump under No Celebrities Were Harmed. Kosher or no?
Edited by Eagal on Nov 24th 2018 at 10:30:05 AM
You fell victim to one of the classic blunders!
If there was Word of God confirming it, then it might be keepable, but given the wording of the example ("seems to be") and vagueness of the similarities, it looks like it is just the troper inserting their views into the page, so cut.
Edited by Someoneman on Nov 24th 2018 at 5:54:10 AM
I know it's not Donald Trump, but this still involves recent USA politics, so I think it's still on-topic.
I found this on YMMV.Persona 5. I already removed another comparison between this character and Bernie Sanders, but missed this one under Germans Love David Hasselhoff:
- Toranosuke Yoshida is more of an appreciated character in America, due to superficial similarities and some shared philosophies with 2016 Democratic challenger Bernie Sanders.
If the character is popular with American players, I think it might be worth keeping, but I can't think of a way to reword the example in a way that explains why people like him, but without explicitly referencing any real politicians.
Blapper of Water
That seems like pure speculation. Do all American video game players like Sanders? Where are these assumptions coming from...
I say cut the entry outright.
Edited by WaterBlap on Nov 25th 2018 at 10:40:24 AM
Look at all that shiny stuff ain't they pretty
I don't think it's saying that all North American gamers like Bernie; it's just saying that people who like him also tend to like Yoshida due to possible similarities between them, but the wording still has a slight pro-Bernie Sanders bias. Can a character still qualify for Germans Love David Hasselhoff if they are only preferred by people with certain political views?
On another note, the description on The Simpsons mentions all the presidents that served over the show's run in a completely neutral way, until it gets to Trump, at which point it mentions the Take Thats against him, complete with links to said moments. I definitely feel like there's some bias at play here, since the show also featured the other presidents, but the article doesn't talk about how they were portrayed, not to mention the point of said section was simply to illustrate how much of a Long Runner the show is. Do we cut the entire section, or just reword Trump's bit to be more neutral?
YMMV.My Little Pony Friendship Is Magic S 8 E 26 School Raze Part 2
- Draco in Leather Pants: Some fans sympathize with Cozy Glow and feel like her imprisonment in Tartarus was unfair, given how other villains much older than her have been EasilyForgiven for crimes just as bad[[note]]The fact that this episode aired right around the time where the Trump Administration was being condemned both in the United States and world-wide for allowing the ICE to separate the children of illegal immigrants from them and imprisoning them in cages didn't help[[/note]], and how Discord had sided with Tirek in "Twilight's Kingdom" but was still instantly forgiven at the end. This ignores that unlike the reformed antagonists, she showed absolutely no remorse for any of her crimes; even ''Discord'' showed remorse over joining Tirek, and [[GuiltRiddenAccomplice he even had some visible misgivings]] before Tirek stabbed him in the back.
- Harsher in Hindsight:
- Thanks to Animation Lead Time, Cozy's being thrown into a cage was written by people who never dreamed that by the time the episode aired, the Trump Administration and the ICE would be facing worldwide condemnation for seizing the children of illegal immigrants and putting them in cages.
I'd say cut since Harsher in Hindsight was before it aired as opposed to hindsight, and Draco in Leather Pants since the point was previously made without. And Cozy was actually guilty of attempting The End of the World as We Know It, hurting applicability.
That said, staff had commented on the issue. maybe move to What Do You Mean, It's Not Political?
The guidelines at the top of the thread say that Donald Trump should not be mentioned unless he was explicitly mentioned in the work. Given that My Little Pony doesn't contain any direct mentions of Trump (obviously), using What Do You Mean, It's Not Political? seems right out.
Not to mention that the people who locked up Cozy Glow were clearly meant to be seen as the good guys, while I assume the person who added these examples was opposed to the caging of children in real life, so comparing the two would give the opposite of the intended message unless Ron the Death Eater was applied to them, at which point it would be based too much on fanon to be worth listing.
Edited by Someoneman on Nov 26th 2018 at 10:03:02 AM
This is a title.
From The New '10s
- Right-Wing Militia Fanatic: Thanks to the election of Donald Trump and the rise of far-right politics in across the globe, many works of fiction often portray villains with this trope.
Yeah or nay?
You fell victim to one of the classic blunders!
SinDustries is adding politically charged entries to YMMV. Spider-man PS 4, and might need a look at.
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=YMMV.SpiderManPS4
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