Not Tropeworthy: Darth Wiki.Wall Banger

Spinning this off the discussion about Dethroning Moment of Suck so that we can have a tag on this page.

There has been discussion in the other thread about this being a complaining page and one additional issue I see is the complete lack of rules or even good style, including a large amount of natter. I'd favour a complete example cut here, myself.

To whit, the To-Do list is:

1. Cutlist all pages here; moderators will then approve them.
2. Add a note on the main discussion page.
3. Dewick the main Related To page; locked pages should be handled here.
4. Cutlist Wall Banger.
5. When it's cut, request a lock on this thread.

edited 27th Dec '15 1:15:08 PM by SeptimusHeap

Cut. If you want to complain, you can do so in an intelligent and civil manner using reviews.

I concur. Wallbangers is redundant with DMoS, and at least DMoS has regulations that posters must follow, not to mention the fact that there's also the review tab.

WB is little more than an authorized complainig page. IMHO, it should be cut.

Agreed, redundant with Dethroning Moment Of Suck, which has very solid and effective guidelines to prevent it from becoming pointless complaining, unlike this. It's not supposed to be linked anywhere, so it can be cut with little to problem. I see no reason to keep Wall Banger and would be glad to see it go.

I can live with keeping D Mo S and cutting Wallbangers.

Yeah, we can do without wallbangers. Cut it.

Voting to cut, since it's basically a more complainy D Mo S.

Yeah, at this point, I'm in favor of cutting Wall Banger.

It's not only a redundant thing with Dethroning Moment Of Suck around, but unlike the latter, it allows for too much "freedom" with Complaining About Shows You Don't Watch. We're better off without it altogether and keeping a sharp eye on the D Mo S pages.

Personally I'd like both gone, but if it's a choice between the two, at least DMoS has rules.

I guess the obvious solution would be to redirect Wallbanger to DMoS, but we could also turn Wallbanger into an exampleless Flame Bait definition page if people feel like it.

edited 19th Dec '15 9:38:00 PM by Discar

Just kill it entirely. If there are no examples, there's no point in keeping the page.

Hooked a crowner.

Keep in mind that this crowner is attached to two different threads and not all options are mutually exclusive, but some are.

Calling crowner in favour of a complete cut of Wall Banger. Redirecting it to Dethroning Moment of Suck did not gain consensus.

To whit, the To-Do list is:

1. Cutlist all pages here; moderators will then approve them.
2. Add a note on the main discussion page.
3. Dewick the main Related To page; locked pages should be handled here.
4. Cutlist Wall Banger.
5. When it's cut, request a lock on this thread.

Calling some interested people here and also to the other thread: ~Karxrida, ~Josef5678, ~Yasmin Perry, ~Willbyr and ~Berrenta (more than 5 notifiers don't work, apparently)

Messaging some more people: ~phoenix, ~Komodin and ~Discar.

Okay, that sounds like a good plan. Is there anything in particular that you want me and the other interested tropers to do?

If you have time and interest (or anyone else I messages) you could work on the to-do list I posted.

Okay, #2 has been done. Will work on any dewicks/cutlists now.

I argue that if Wall Bangers (a MASSIVE stockpile of information) is to be deleted, then Gushing About Shows You Like should be deleted in its entirety as well, as both reflect subjective opinions that many people may disagree with. There are flame wars that have stretched for hundreds of pages on other forums started by, say, someone complaining about some aspect of Star Trek: Enterprise, and an Enterprise fan responding with an angry rant. Or the other way around. I'd say that these audience reactions are intricately related to the works themselves, and deserve their own heading.

Furthermore, this decision seems like pandering to fans of controversial works, and is likely to contribute to Natter showing up on trope pages, since anti-fans will no longer have a designated space for detailing Unfortunate Implications-filled or Narm-y parts of works. In my opinion, it's better to have a designated place for negative aspects of works and negative audience reactions to works than to pretend that controversial works don't have these negative aspects, which is what this decision looks like to my cynical eyes.

Eh, negativity will still live on in reviews (which really need better visibility) and Dethroning Moment of Suck.

We've cut it from every page save, time to cut list.

That's done. As there's nothing left to do here, I'm gonna lock this thread. Good work, everyone.

edited 27th Dec '15 3:28:12 PM by Willbyr

I've cut it. Thanks for all who helped here!