Misused: Blond Guys Are Evil

Alright, I made a start on sorting the good stuff from the bad on the Blond Guys Are Evil sandbox. Some of the cut examples may fall under the listed tropes, but lacked context to discern which.

Aside from the above-mentioned tropes and the "villain uses their beauty to throw people off guard" one, there seems to be an additional one in Bleached Hair Means Delinquents. The dye-job doesn't need to be necessarily blonde, but it does probably show up more often in Asian media than Western.

Yeah, that one is largely an Asian trope and it can go anywhere from white to orange.

Don't we already have a Yankii / Yanki trope somewhere? That is what those punks are called.

Well they are called that because of the way they sit [1]◊ is called Yanki Zuwari, aka the looks like you are taking a crap pose, no real connection to being blonde though a black haired Yankii is possible.

edited 4th Sep '15 12:56:58 PM by Memers

We have a Japanese Delinquents page, it seems to be covered as part of that.

We also have Delinquent Hair. I think any examples can go on one of those pages.

edited 4th Sep '15 12:52:58 PM by shimaspawn

Since the last page talked about making it gender neutral, where would the Gyaru◊ being all evil sell absorbed 'bitch' stereotype go? They arnt delinquents and having dyed blonde hair is a requirement along with typically with very tanned skin and possibly white makeup around the eyes. The Stereotype is not quite Alpha Bitch though and blonde or dirty blonde is an absolute requirement.

The girls who were mean to Fuuka in Persona 3 were Gyaru. Ai in Persona 4 was one too but hadn't got her tan yet being new at it.

edited 4th Sep '15 1:28:20 PM by Memers

They're culturally specific enough that the probably should get their own trope as their own thing.

I've finished sorting the examples on Blond Guys Are Evil. Looks like there are more than enough examples to support the new tropes. I'll move the Beauty Is Bad and Delinquent Hair examples to their existing ones. One thing I did notice is that Blondes Are Evil has significantly more People Sit On Chairs examples than Blond Guys Are Evil, usually because the examples were either "Evil Is Sexy so she's blonde" (or at least that's what I can infer; most of it is just "X is blonde and did [laundry list of crimes]) or "she's an Alpha Bitch, who's often blonde".

edited 5th Sep '15 4:36:18 AM by Morgenthaler

That would be why we're cutting, or at least disambiging these.

I've launched the YKTTWs for the Dark-Haired Hero, Blond-Haired Villain and Evil Blonde Aryan split tropes.

I'd like to see some more discussion for the "Evil Blond Foreigner" trope. As I'm struggling to come up with a proper description, I'm starting to have doubts that it actually is one, and not just a random collection of evil blondes from various nationalities that will lead to the same PSOC problems that plagued this one.

edited 6th Sep '15 3:11:02 AM by Morgenthaler

Umm I don't really see Evil Blonde Foreigner really being a thing. It's all usually Evil Brit or Evil Rich White Dude, most commonly blonde but not always. The latter being such a trope it was a plot point in Rush Hour 2 where their only idea is "follow the rich white man".

When I get some time to research I will try and YKTTW it. I don't know much about em aside from what I had said in that post. If someone wants to beat me to it go for it.

edited 6th Sep '15 3:33:30 AM by Memers

In works where you have the villainous Nazi-esque group, but have a range of characters of all different hair colours, you might currently see the "X is evil and blonde" problem (even if it's a work that has a range of blond(e) protagonists, too). I can see this problem being transferred to the Evil Blond Aryan trope.

"X is evil and blonde" becomes "X is blonde and part of the Nazi-esque group", which again ignores the fact the work has a range of blonds across both the antagonist/protagonist divide, as well as having a range of hair colours within the Nazi-esque group.

edited 6th Sep '15 4:35:01 PM by Wyldchyld

Would mention of how some Japanese media use blonde hair as a go to color for Delinquent Hair be good? Or how in japanese mefia, when a character has blonde hair he would be seen as a bad person even though he isnt?

It's been a long time since I watched Japanese wrestling, but some of their heels might dye their hair blonde to evoke being bad.

edited 6th Sep '15 11:47:08 PM by WhirlRX

That is a plot point of Haganai, the main character is nice as hell, stuck basically being a single dad to his little sister, but automatically assumed to be a punk because of his hair. [1]◊

I think expanding Face of a Thug to include hair though would be the best. It would include things like this guy◊ too.

edited 6th Sep '15 11:46:10 PM by Memers

^^^ That's really a problem with all the appearance tropes. Short of putting a notice on every page (which is only really relevant to editors, obviously) that it's not about the look but the meaning behind it, we can only go so far to discourage the larger body of tropers from shoehorning those.

edited 7th Sep '15 12:58:09 AM by Morgenthaler

That kind of thing still goes into Japanese Delinquents though, they are trying to look the part.

That trope needs to have more emphasis on blonde hair and really it needs a better picture as many of those pictures are not delinquent outfits, a lot are more Cheer Squad outfits which in fiction are school lackies instead of delinquents.

As well as it lists straight up wrong info on Yankii, the page claims it's because of the Hawaiian shirts but god no it has no relation to America at all it's the pose they squat◊ [1]◊[2]◊ while hanging out on the street and smoke, it's called 'Yankii Zuwari' aka the look like your taking a crap squat.

edited 7th Sep '15 4:59:41 AM by Memers

Yeah, that page needs clean up and probably a better picture. Take it to image picking but you're free to tweak the definition. I give it my modly blessing.

Status update: Dark-Haired Hero, Blond-Haired Villain and Evil Blond Aryan, the only elements of Blond Guys Are Evil and Blondes Are Evil that were deemed viable as tropes, still need more input. Once they're out of YKTTW, we can move on to wick cleaning. I think a disambiguation would be the best option for the old page.

Update:

The "Dark-haired hero, blond-haired villain" ykttw is at the point where it's pretty much unsalvageable in its current state. While it seems that the opposite (blond-haired hero, dark-haired villain) would have to be included, this visual contrast is so often just a quirk of casting that people can't tell them apart (as I've noted in its attached discussion thread), nor have we established any criteria for doing so. Before we can even consider the trope-worthiness of this we first need a more general "Appearance Foil" trope that was proposed on the first page of this thread to organize its sister trope concepts.

"Evil Blond Aryan" appears to be the only trope with any genuine meaning attached to the "blond hair=evil" idea (compare e.g. Red Eyes, Take Warning) of the current Blond Guys Are Evil trope that could stand on its own. If there are issues with that trope, please note so—there's been talk of a general moratorium on appearance tropes, so I'm gonna delay launching that (it has only 3 hats anyway, so that's still insufficient per ykttw guidelines) until I get some clarification first.

I think it's time for a crowner for the main page so we can finally solve this ZCE mess. Cutting doesn't seem to on the table with about 12,000 inbound links for both Blond Guys Are Evil and Blondes Are Evil together, so a disambiguation for the various tropeable concepts (Light Is Not Good, Japanese Delinquents, etc.) instead? Single-prop? And should there be two seperate crowner for both tropes, or both together since they're suffering from the same issues?

edited 6th Jan '16 9:31:20 PM by Morgenthaler

How about page action with a vote for each trope?

Made a page action crowner.

Hooked.

Looks like there's clear support for both options.

I nominate making Blond Guys Are Evil a redirect to the Blondes Are Evil disambiguation page.

I want a few more votes before I call this.

Bump for votes/motion to call if there's enough already. Not really sure why one option has less support than the other when both tropes exhibit the same problems, only gender-flipped.