Suggestion: Bondage Is Bad

Personally, I don't see why this wasn't chosen last time. We have an unhappy "angel" being pulled by a domineering "demon". What's wrong with that?

These, two◊ were also suggested, and I guess work well enough too. I would just go with the picture that is already in the site's database but what say you all?

edited 7th Sep '14 11:00:37 AM by IndirectActiveTransport

It wasn't chosen last time because a number of people had problems with the angel. The angel appears to be a sub, but not particularly unhappy about it. Which means that the angel is also into BDSM to at least some degree, which confuses the issue of what the trope is, namely "The use of a character's interest in BDSM (or similar) to reinforce the idea that they're evil..."

That objection was raised to all angel/demon pair images.

This is the only one, or rather, the only one that wasn't a broken link, since not all of them worked. Is there something I'm missing here? One is smiling and yanking the other, who is not smiling, by the neck. Does that really say "Doesn't mind it too much." to you? Does bound party have to be a bloody mess, crying or something?

What about the other two suggestions? What is wrong with those?

You can have both of them shown as evil, for instance.

A character interested in BDSM is evil. The angel/demon pic looks great.

^^^ I believe the intention was that the person "not into it" shouldn't be participating at all. Being into bandage doesn't just mean tying (etc), it could also be being tied. And not looking happy about it isn't a sure sign of not being into it, or there might not be a need for Safe Words. The "angel is a sub(missive)" vibe is strengthened by her clothing.

I think there is in fact "something you're missing here".

edited 7th Sep '14 9:35:59 PM by rodneyAnonymous

Okay, so why do you look at the image and say she willingly participated instead of angel wings captured/defeated by demon wings, who happens to be into bondage, or maybe a half and half "doms" are evil? And why is no one who protests the first giving their comment on the other propositions?

The Questionable Whatever one looks more like Bound and Gagged to me.

I know there's probably a negative stigma against modern Sinfest, but maybe one of the comics with BDSM guy would work?

I have to agree that it looks a bit too consensual on the angel's part to really illustrate the trope. The fact that she's wearing lingerie kinda undermines it. She doesn't look that unhappy either. If she was really being dominated against her will I'd expect a bit more resistance. All in all it looks more like she's playing the part of the sub, which as noted above makes her a participant.

Panel 1 by itself, or possibly 1+3 or 2+3 would work, I think.

So she must have consented because of her clothes? Really?

Well, I still think the Questionable Content and Little Dog comics work better, even if you don't like "angel/demon".

Well, that in conjunction with the fact that she's barely resisting. The clothes alone wouldn't do it, but the combination of that with her body language and facial expression hardly make it clear that she's not into it.

Okay, you all are consistently answering one of my questions, but not the other? Have all of you declined to click either link? I still like both of those better than newest suggestion.

I think angel demon is fine myself but I will be up loading the other two if I can't find more than one other person who agrees.

Possibly no one has commented because they aren't good, either. 1.2 is a link to an 8-panel comic strip of mostly talking heads. 1.3 is fine on Bondage but light on Is Bad.

Ease up a bit. You can phrase the same message in a way that is not aggressive.

edited 19th Sep '14 6:40:02 PM by rodneyAnonymous

Or its possible they are just ignoring the question. How much effort did it really take to say that, not much is really being said in this discussion at all, so if I read hostile that's why.

Well that and I really don't get how you can see someone being pulled by their neck and think looks too consensual when the page already says bondage is bad. But whatever, there they are

>:(

16.1 makes me think of Enid Blyton's works and The Three Investigators; nothing sexual about that image, just a particular flavour of Drama-Preserving Handicap or restraint - which is what the trope Bound and Gagged is about.

16.2 looks like a Slave Collar + Sex Slave (or again a variant of Bound and Gagged) to me.

edited 21st Sep '14 6:02:58 AM by SeptimusHeap

Agreed on the latter; no real opinion on the first one.

I thought the whip she held was associated with dominatrix(s)(es)(i?)

Anyway, I think you all are too picky but if you don't like it, use BDSM guy as Nap110 suggested, I guess I can't convince you otherwise.

Sex slave doesn't have an image though. Want to put it there?

No; Sex Slave isn't marked as a "no pic" page but given the topic, it should definitely be in that category.

Alright, should I upload a picture of BDSM guy then?

It occurs to me that there are some pictures from a story by a particular Deviant Art-ist which may be suitable, if we can get permission to use them.

I do have some reservations because canonically, the boy in the pictures is supposed to be only 14, however the pictures are drawn in a simple style and the boy could easily be seen as of legal age without any stretch to the imagination.

The reason I think that the pictures are suitable is that in many of them, the boy is crying and looking distressed, thus establishing clearly that he doesn't like what's being done to him, so illustrating the trope that (his) bondage is bad.

I won't link to the pictures or even to the artist at this time because of the potentially sensitive nature of the subject. I don't want to offend anyone.

You can PM me the link if you wish.

Done. It may not be suitable but it may also be the "cleanest" pic we can find which adequately expresses the trope.

If you don't have or want a DA account and so can't see the pic, I can email the pic I suggest using.