Misused: Nice Guy

Deadlock Clock: 11th Jul 2014 11:59:00 PM
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This trope refers to a character that's a genuinely good person, but I keep seeing people use it to mean the stereotypical Internet Nice Guy: somebody who thinks that acting nice to women obligates them to have sex with you or date you in return, and complains about being "friendzoned." My suggestion for a new name for this trope is Genuinely Nice Guy. What do you say?
Hmmm... assuming that a "Nice Guy" is a passive-agressive misogynist without the qualification "genuine" would require a rather jaded outlook.

Personally I'd prefer a clean-up over a rename and moving all the inapropriate examples to Dogged Nice Guy. Oh and remove the link to this trope on Entitled to Have You cause it might have caused some of the misuse.

edited 31st May '14 3:16:18 PM by eedwardgrey3

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3 Tuckerscreator31st May 2014 10:46:14 AM from High Charity, the Prophet's Holy City , Relationship Status: Drift compatible
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I can see the potential for misunderstanding, as especially since the dating-context "nice guy" term is often used on this wiki.
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The dating-context nice guy is covered under Dogged Nice Guy.

edited 31st May '14 2:56:36 PM by eedwardgrey3

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5 Larkmarn31st May 2014 06:16:41 PM , Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
Um... could we get some references for this misuse? Because I've never seen it misused like that.

The only potential issue that I have seen for this is that there's no clear cut off for what makes someone a Nice Guy versus just not a jerkass. But even that rarely causes problems.

edited 31st May '14 6:18:41 PM by Larkmarn

6 AnotherDuck31st May 2014 10:40:12 PM from Stockholm , Relationship Status: In season
No, the other one.
The trope is called Nice Guy, not ''Nice Guy''. I don't think it needs changing unless there's significant misuse. Well, not even then, since that internet definition is only used ironically. Or that name for it, at any rate.

edited 31st May '14 10:44:32 PM by AnotherDuck

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8 theAdeptrogue1st Jun 2014 05:49:20 AM , Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
The "stereotypical Internet Nice Guy" misuse should probably be moved to Entitled to Have You (type B).

But how significcant is the misuse anyway? I don't actually see it used in that context very often...
9 Spark91st Jun 2014 09:46:41 AM from Castle Wulfenbach , Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
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Since this page already doesn't have examples, I think it would be best to tweak it a bit to make it a disambiguation page between several "nice" related tropes, including Dogged Nice Guy and Entitled to Have You.
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[up] So you want to eliminate the "actual Nice Guy" definition?
11 Rethkir1st Jun 2014 03:07:33 PM from the gap between dimensions
Where is this misuse? I don't see it on any of the subpages. Unless a wick check can show that this is a serious problem, I don't see the point in renaming this. Even still, there should be a very good reason for any rename.
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12 Larkmarn1st Jun 2014 03:51:48 PM , Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
Yes, we've had several requests for actual evidence of misuse, but the OP hasn't even come back... thus far I'm not even slightly convinced that any action needs to be taken.
13 Madrugada1st Jun 2014 04:36:06 PM , Relationship Status: In season
I'm giving this thread a clock; if someone (the OP or someone else who thinks it needs to be changed, doesn't matter) doesn't provide evidence of misuse, not just an assertion of misuse, the thread will be shut.
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14 Earnest2nd Jun 2014 08:16:51 PM from Monterrey, Mexico , Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
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I did a quick check, but it's been a while. Is 37 enough?

Correctly used: 27
No context, just listed: 10
Incorrectly used: 0

edited 2nd Jun '14 8:17:26 PM by Earnest

So the Nice Guy trope stays or what?
appears that nothing actually needs to be done then
I think the whole disambiguation part is unnecessary since it conflates Dogged Nice Guy (a guy trying to win a girl's heart through helpfulness and perseverance) with the Internet Nice Guy whose niceness is purely sex-motivated.

19 Willbyr8th Jul 2014 04:21:29 AM from North Little Rock, AR , Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
20 nrjxll8th Jul 2014 04:40:32 AM , Relationship Status: Not war
Honestly, the only place I've seen this misused as "Internet Nice Guy" is this thread.
21 Larkmarn8th Jul 2014 05:32:56 AM , Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
22 SeptimusHeap8th Jul 2014 05:38:19 AM from Laniakea , Relationship Status: Mu
Aye, this thread should not be open. No misuse of any kind (other than in this thread, which doesn't count really) has been demonstrated, and demonstrating it was requested above.
23 Willbyr8th Jul 2014 06:19:52 AM from North Little Rock, AR , Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Have the ZCEs mentioned in 14 been context-ed?
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