New 52 Superman and Wonder Woman

What do you think of how DC's written it? Hate, love? Or do not give a shit

edited 24th Apr '14 4:15:01 PM by Couchpotato20

Don't know. Did they just get tired of the man of steel, woman of Kleenex jokes?

@bookworm

No doubt got tired of Woman of kleenex jokes. Plus, the fanbase of Superman/Wonder Woman are ridiculously vocal in their opposition pre-New 52.

There is a topic for the Nu52 already, but I'll just say that, for the short term, I don't mind the Supes-Wondy pairing.

That said, the moment they start to reconnect Clark with Lois and they click, I will be a happy guy.

I don't like the ship. It feels like a quick and dirty world's strongest man and world's strongest woman, let's put them together. I also don't feel it has ever been done particularly well. Some people will say it was done well in Kingdom Come, I feel that was the weakest part of the book (though it may have worked if Kingdom Come had gotten the planned 6 issues rather than just 4).

I chalk this new pairing as continued proof of DC's poor treatment of Wonder Woman, and the horrible truth:

Wonder Woman isn't one of DC's biggest heroes, she's a nobody who's name is out there just because DC said so.

As for the series itself, I haven't read it, but I heard it's rather good.

They're doing it in order to bring in Twilight fans. That's not my opinion, the writers stated this right out.

Her main claim to fame is continuous publication since the Golden Age, however, a big chunk of that was because there was a clause that state if she didn't receive at least quarterly publication the rights would revert to the Marston estate.

There's more to Wonder Woman than that. She had her own live action series AND she appeared in JLU and Superfriends.

It's like The Head Cheerleader dating the School Jock. Predictable and, I suspect, only interesting to people who don't like Lois Lane.

And of course, for some it's hard not to see an "all amazons want Hercules" implication.

Even Xena didn't think her and Hercules wouldn't work and suggested they be Just Friends .

Of course DC thinks reaching out to Twilight fans will work by all means go right ahead.

Also the upcoming Doomed arc is pretty much going to be a reworking of Supermna Doomsday arc only with Wonder Woman in a prominent role rather than Lois.

Couldn't two flying bricks take out Doomsday?

Wonder Woman WAS quite popular in the Golden Age. Of course, Golden Age, pre-code Wonder Woman had very clear themes of bondage and domination/submission, not sure if that had anything to do with it.

People talk about DC's "holy trinity" as being Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman, and some writers have even tried to build on that, saying that thematically Batman embodies the past, Wonder Woman the present, and Superman the future, though I think that's just an editorially-decreed line that isn't really borne out by the characters. Superman and Batman are different sides of the same coin (dark/light, super-human/human), and trying to shoehorn Wonder Woman into that just comes off as false. Wonder Woman IS DC's best known female character, though, thanks mostly to the 70's TV show, so they're going to continue to try to put her forward as a major character.

People have shipped Superman and Wonder Woman since at least the late 70's, so on one hand you could see it as a pairing that, in the minds of a lot of fans-turned-pros anyhow, was a long time in coming. It generates interest, so I suppose it's doing what DC wants it to do.

I was going to ask why amazons wanting Heracles was worse than woman of tissue paper but then I though of a better question. Why is amazons wanting Hercules a bad thing at all?

Okay, it is not universal but is hardly improbable that a strong woman would want a strong man.

Edit: oh wait, Women Prefer Strong Men is the trope I am thinking of. So I see the problem but not exactly why this particular comic has it.

edited 25th Apr '14 5:06:46 PM by IndirectActiveTransport

The whole Wonder Woman ship has that weird "Gods only date other Gods" kinda feeling. One of the problems I see with this pairing is that it seems SOOOO predictable. Strongest Male and Female superhero hooking up, oh wow that wasn't completely unoriginal at all! I like the Clark/Lois pairing because it's Superman accepting the fact that Earth's his new home and doing his best to "integrate" and ends up finding happiness with planet's inhabitants rather than dating an Amazonian warrior with the (actual) beauty of Aphrodite. Which seems more relatable? Superman attempting to overcome his differences with the people of Earth to the point of actually marrying a human woman or Superman taking solace in Wonder Woman's arms, a being who is literally blessed by the Gods and have a variety of assorted attributes given to her by said Gods, all the while trying to overcome his differences with the people he's trying to protect?

You may have a differing opinion than I but for me anyway, it seems REALLY weird that Superman is trying to integrate himself on Earth by being like humans, yet chooses to date a freaking Goddess, which completely undermines what "integration on a different planet" means to me. While I can still see the appeal of dating someone like yourself, in this case Superman and Wonder Woman being a couple gives off that air of "perfect beings like Superman and Wonder Woman can have meaningful relationships ONLY with other perfect beings and any basic interaction with beings less perfect than themselves is a great act of kindness and sympathy on the perfect beings"

Overall i find this pairing to be stale, trite, incredibly forced feeling and so blandly boring, the only plausible reason for this pairing in the first place is to "shake up the norm, even if said norm is actually better than what the new stuff does". It's just silly that DC would do this. Romance my FOOT this is STUPID

I'm not necessarily against the idea, but I do think it came off as a publicity stunt. A lot of Elseworld storylines did it because of the "hey, wouldn't this be a cool idea?" But for it to work in the many continuity, for me at least, I would've preferred if there was still at least some chemistry and history between the two. Actually build the ship up, but instead they blew their load right away to get buzz.

I am a little bugged that people seem to be equating romance to sex appeal. Is that what the suits took away from Twilight? Physical attraction is not what's important, it just helps you get noticed.

honestly i dont mind it. id still prefer clark with lois or someone human who can keep him grounded, but sometimes when clark and diana are written as a couple i believe they actually do care for each other.

They'll both live a long time, so why not get together after Lois and whoever Diana wants to be with dies? Think that has been the plot of several fan fics.

Atm, I'm mixed and indifferent about Superman and Wonder Woman. Before DC gets me to care about pairings try rectifying the good characters and lay off the ridiculous number of origin retcons (referring to Desthstroke).

Supes and Wondy is like a doujinshi made into mainstream material.

Doujinshi... what does that mean, fan relationship? If so, is that really applicable? It is not as if these two characters have no contact in the story thus far. Is there some incompatibility this would have to overlook?

Pretty sure that exists somewhere.

It's Japanese for fan-made comic.

Personally, I'm giving them a year or so. Even though I never saw that much chemistry in the Lois/Superman relationship, it's too much of a staple to be discarded for long. Still, the godly couple thing isn't too far-fetched in its own right, and in terms of character, they're a pretty good match. Superman and Wonder Woman may seem like a jock/cheerleader pairing, but Clark and Diana can actually play off each other's emotional strengths and vulnerabilities rather well. Not to mention avoid the usual rubbish superhero relationships tend to get bogged down in.

@Indiana 101

Ain't the Superman/Wonder Woman thing been going on since like 2012 though?