Not Tropeworthy: Ladyella

The trope's just about occurrences where females have "ella" at the end of their names.

I don't see how that would affect the storytelling in any way.

And even if it is a legit trope, I don't know how it affects the story telling as it never says how, not to mention attracting a lot of Zero Context Examples just saying something like "this woman has ella at the end of her name" for almost all the examples on that page.

Basically a naming convention trope, much like many others in that index, in this case (mostly) to make a feminine name out of something that isn't. I don't think it's particularly more or less noteworthy than a lot of those.

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Seems to me like a naming convention. As for context, I would say that noting which name is being derived from.

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Good point, both of you.

Needs to be added to the description that it's supposed to make a feminine name out of a non-feminine one, as well as maybe do a cleanup to add more context to the names.

So, is anyone willing to do something?

Cut. Not a trope.

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^I think the OP summed it up pretty nicely.

"The trope's just about occurrences where females have "ella" at the end of their names. I don't see how that would affect the storytelling in any way."

That seems like the way it is to me. Also observe how few entries there are on that page—Not Thriving as well as Not Tropeworthy.

It's about a way to make feminine names. A storytelling device (in this case, a character-naming device). That makes it a trope in my mind.

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I think it's tropeworthy. It's a recognizeable pattern of feminine names in fiction. It's not just a co-incidence.

I agree that the examples could use more context. Usually you can spot a moment in a work when its characters are discussing their names or something similar.

To me, those Cinderella names sound fancy and rather noble. It's probably just me, because the suffix used to form "Cinderella" in Czech is very common and often used for female names and other words.

I'm very much against cut.

edited 4th Feb '14 1:45:24 AM by XFllo

I agree that it is tropeworthy. It is not just about female names ending in "ella", it's about forming female names by adding the suffix "-ella" to a meaningful word: "cinder" + "ella".

There are other suffixes used in a similar way, say as "-us" used to form a Latin-sounding male name ("Biggus Dickus" in The Life Of Brian), so perhaps the trope should be more general, and cover all instances of this?

If this stays, it could use a better name I think.

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Can we discuss a better description so that this trope does not lend itself to Zero Context Examples, please?

Suffix Naming

L - A name with a suffix that creates additional context.

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This is a naming convention where a new name is created by adding a suffix, and the primary meaning of the name comes from the context provided by the suffix. The context may be "this character is female", or "this character is from a specific culture".

The titular Cinderella was named by adding -ella to the word "cinder", making her name "the woman of the cinders". The popularity of that work in the West has translated to many examples of characters who have "-ella" added to show the character is female. Enough that the Ladyella is an Internal Subtrope to Suffix Naming.

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Still on the Naming Conventions index, would we keep it on the Always Female index under the Internal Subtrope name?

edited 4th Mar '14 8:46:05 AM by crazysamaritan

Link to TRS threads in project mode here.

It's kind of like the Law Of Alien Names, which covers a lot of other ground but part of it is that 99% of the time female names end in "-a". I don't see it as any less tropeworthy.

So as the trope is currently written, would "Daniella" or any other common RL name of that structure fit? If so, we have a problem here, and I don't see how it would not be an example the way it's written right now.

Naming conventions exist both in Real Life and storytelling and serve the same purpose. That is no problem.

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So we're okay with this trope being a repository of all works with a character whose first name ends with the letters -ella? Because if we're going to include High School Musical in this trope because it has a character named Gabriella, we really should be a little more specific on what it means.

No, I think this needs to be limited to works where -ella is stuck onto something that normally wouldn't be a name - Cinderella, Vampirella, etc.

Post 11 was suggesting expanding the trope definition, covering suffixes other than just "-ella".

Link to TRS threads in project mode here.

Hmmmm...two options there: Either make a single massive trope that covers all instances, or a supertrope that covers the concept and then subtropes for the specific ones, depending on how many there are and how many examples they have. I lean toward the latter.

edited 5th Mar '14 6:18:31 AM by Willbyr

I rather prefer Willbyr's second option.

And no, this one should not include common (or normal names) that happen to end in "-ella".

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"Can we discuss a better description so that this trope does not lend itself to Zero Context Examples, please?"

I think that this is a clue that this is not actually a trope. -ella is not a storytelling device. It's a feminine name suffix.

"-ella" by itself is not a trope. "Naming a character by adding -ella to a word describing the character" is one, IMHO.