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Misused: Sadist Show get usage counts

 26 Psyga 315, Mon, 18th Nov '13 2:39:36 PM from Dungeons & Dragons No Sekai Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
Nanako The Narcface
[up] And Evangelion. I mean, yeah, that scene where he crushes 03's pilot was funny... Actually, it is, but only because it sounded funny.

edited 18th Nov '13 2:39:54 PM by Psyga315

"An MMORPG without a logout button? That's a bold decision, man!"
Is a description rewrite alone going to ward off the main misuse, though?

edited 18th Nov '13 5:41:41 PM by Leaper

 28 Psyga 315, Mon, 18th Nov '13 7:08:52 PM from Dungeons & Dragons No Sekai Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
Nanako The Narcface
If anything happens, the least favorable option (IMO) is to cut it. So if a rewrite is what it takes to avoid that option, then so be it for me.

edited 18th Nov '13 7:09:00 PM by Psyga315

"An MMORPG without a logout button? That's a bold decision, man!"
 29 shoboni, Tue, 19th Nov '13 1:42:18 PM from Iowa, USA
I think the first step is making it damn clear what the threshold is, and when something has gone far enough we consider it this trope.
"It's not that simple. We are all both, good and evil, we have rage and compassion, we have love and hate...murder and forgiveness."
@22 Ziggy, sympathetic? Hardly. His suffering is played for laughs and is the entire point of the strip, so it totally qualifies. The trope description doesn't say anything either about the man who gets mugged, goes to jail for jaywalking, and has to watch his mugger walk by every single day having been a jerkass himself either.

I can understand cutting stuff like Nichijou, Haruhi, and Puella Magi Madoka Magica, but some other titles here fall nothing short of this trope. Sadist Show: Exactly What It Says on the Tin: Something you watch because you thoroughly enjoy watching the main character (if not the entire cast) suffer all kinds of shit, deservedly or otherwise.
 
 31 shoboni, Sat, 23rd Nov '13 2:41:18 PM from Iowa, USA
[up]Yes, but that's only have the trope. It also says that the characters are generally unlikable enough you want to see them suffer.
"It's not that simple. We are all both, good and evil, we have rage and compassion, we have love and hate...murder and forgiveness."
 32 the Adeptrogue, Sat, 23rd Nov '13 5:35:06 PM Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
You know... first time I read the description of this trope, I thought this was a duplicate of Kafka Komedy, since it pretty much have the same premise.

I think redefining either tropes should come first...

Is half the trope (as explicated by [up][up][up]) tropeable on its own? If so, a split may be a possible solution.

 34 Septimus Heap, Sun, 24th Nov '13 1:44:05 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Another Wizard boy
@30: That distinction really seems like a The Same but More Specific one. I would just specify that both can apply in the description.

 35 shoboni, Sun, 24th Nov '13 8:02:41 AM from Iowa, USA
I assume it's generally when both are the case.

edited 24th Dec '13 8:20:14 PM by shoboni

"It's not that simple. We are all both, good and evil, we have rage and compassion, we have love and hate...murder and forgiveness."
 36 Willbyr, Tue, 24th Dec '13 4:19:33 AM from North Little Rock, AR Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
With Mod Hat On
Clock is set.
 37 Aldo 930, Tue, 24th Dec '13 9:38:56 AM from Quahog, R.I.
Professional Moldy Fig/Curmudgeon
Oh Gawd, this trope...

If you ask me, it needs to be junked. There's a host of Unfortunate Implications in the idea that people who watch these shows do it simply to see people being abused, especially if there's more to them than that...
"They say I'm old fashioned, and live in the past, but sometimes I think progress progresses too fast."
Crowner, then? There seem to be multiple options in play here.

 39 Psyga 315, Tue, 24th Dec '13 7:12:48 PM from Dungeons & Dragons No Sekai Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
Nanako The Narcface
Yeah, because my personal preference is to try and lump it with a similar trope that was discussed here than go nuclear and delete the entire trope.
"An MMORPG without a logout button? That's a bold decision, man!"
 40 shoboni, Tue, 24th Dec '13 8:20:35 PM from Iowa, USA
[up][up][up]If that's your only issue a rename would suffice.
"It's not that simple. We are all both, good and evil, we have rage and compassion, we have love and hate...murder and forgiveness."
 41 Aldo 930, Tue, 24th Dec '13 8:34:28 PM from Quahog, R.I.
Professional Moldy Fig/Curmudgeon
Yes, a rename would suffice.

I'd also support a tightening of the definition of the trope, given that so many of the entries are just "Waaah! The people in this show are mean to this character!" You know, we can laugh at a character getting screwed over by the world, a la Charlie Brown, and sympathize with him. It isn't just laughing at them, we can also laugh with them.
"They say I'm old fashioned, and live in the past, but sometimes I think progress progresses too fast."
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