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I have some ideas for cosmic stuff.

As the previous universe ended, the last survivor, Galen of Taa, plunged into the collapsing black hole. As God forged the new universe, Galen was infused with the force of creation, the Power Cosmic, and became Galactus. This also resulted in a portion of God's creative force coalescing and gaining sentience, becoming Phoenix. Phoenix and Galactus thus have a yin-yang relationship, Phoenix being the embodiment of creation and Galactus of destruction, albeit a kind of destruction that paves the way for new creation. They are destined to merge again at the end of this universe so that a new universe may be born.

While God created the universe(s), he didn't create everything that exists. There are other things, eldritch things, that lurk in the spaces between spacetimes. These things poke their tendrils into God's creations, introducing monsters and disharmony, like the things Sorceror Supremes fight. Some of them, such as Shuma-Gorath, can even have a direct presence in the universe (which lets us bring in Lovecraft's deities if we want).

In early times, God created angels with partial sentience and limited autonomy to manage the overall direction of the universe. The Outer Things reached in and touched the greatest of the angels, Samael, and planted within him the desire for complete freedom. Samael renamed himself Satan and rebelled against God, inspiring a third of the angels to follow him. They were ultimately defeated by Michael and the loyalists, and cast into Hell. When Satan landed, he shattered into several aspects, who are the various demons and Hell Lords that stand in for Satan in both Marvel and DC. Lucifer is the aspect of Satan that just wants freedom, Mephisto is the one who makes tricky bargains with others, Mammon is the greedy aspect, and so on.

While the Power Cosmic initially permeated the entire cosmos, the Outer Things reached in and fractured it into the (metaphorical!) rock of order, fog of chaos, and light of emotion, which are the ultimate sources of magic. This fracturing was only partial; Phoenix and Galactus can wield the unified Power Cosmic, as can Galactus' heralds. From interaction between the light of emotion and Phoenix arose the Seven Endless. When God mostly withdrew the angels, the left the Endless in charge of administering the universe; since the Outer Things had introduced dissonance and evil, the universe would now progress in an unpredictable direction, and those in charge of it would both require free will and need to be of the universe rather than coming from outside. As such, the angels were mostly withdrawn, only sent in when things were about to get really bad.

(The last two paragraphs may also have been partially sparked by Krona's attempt to view the origin of the universe in the future).

Below the Endless are gods, beings assigned to watch over and protect fledgling races; however, since gods have free will, they don't always do the best job, and often demand worship. Even gods can die, and some pantheons of space-faring civilisations have already been eaten by Galactus. However, new gods have also arisen by the grace of Phoenix, most notably the New Gods (of Jack Kirby).

Still, God didn't want the universe to be completely without a guide appointed by himself. He left the Spectre in the universe to serve as his official executioner, the embodiment of his wrath. For the most part, the Spectre only punishes major mystical and cosmic threats to all existence. More mundane and lower-level evil is delegated to the Spectre's servants, the spirits of vengeance, free spirits who work with both Heaven and Hell but must bond with a mortal in order to directly affect the material universe. Spirits of vengeance are most familiar as Ghost Riders.

The Outer Things weren't done. The light of emotion was split into the seven colours of the Emotional Spectrum. At some point, the Maltusians harnessed the green light of willpower, using it to make hard light constructs. A schism formed in Maltusian society. One faction, the Gaurdians, believed that as the elder race of the local group, they should proactively nurture and guide lesser races. The other main faction, the Watchers, opted for an alien noninterference clause, thinking they should observe other races but not interfere directly. They eventually reached a compromise by which the Guardians would indeed observe and record the events of lesser planets, while the Guardians founded the Green Lantern Corps to maintain order and prevent any race from getting overly destructive on an interplanetary scale (and also to save sentient races from Galactus).

The Green Lanterns' and Guardians' biggest challenge came when those younger races started expanding. For example, the Kree conducted experiments on early humans, but the Green Lanterns soon put a stop to that (perhaps altered by Uatu? Seems the Guardians would regularly report back to Maltus/Oa). A relict group of Skrulls staying on Mars and evolving into the Green and White Martians was seen as no big deal. Then came the Reach-Shi'Ar war.

The Reach and the Shi'Ar conquered large chunks of the Milky Way, and inevitably came into conflict. The Shi'Ar were willing to use diplomacy and granted equal rights to all their empire's member races; the Reach did not, and simply crushed desirable planets. This aggression gave the Reach an advantage in speed and unity, as they did not have to deal with reluctance among their conquests as the Shi'Ar did. The Shi'Ar, however, obtained the backing of the Green Lanterns, who saw them as the more desirable ultrapower. As such, the two empires fought to a stalemate, and eventually agreed to a nonaggression pact. Both also promised to cease expansion into inhabited star systems.

The Reach adopted a different approach. Their scientists developed Scarabs, technorganic things that bind to inhabitants of target planets. (One landed on Earth but was damaged by magic, giving rise to the Blue Beetle). These Scarabs pose as superheroes, but secretly work to undermine the planet's local military and defences. Meanwhile, the Reach arrive, posing as a proud merchant race, and offer seemingly-benign but actually lopsided and predatory trade agreements designed to ravage the target planet's economy. Then, when the target is at its weakest, the Reach buy up most of the planet's assets and deport its inhabitants. Those who try to resist are exterminated for violating the treaties the planet signed. Naturally, the Green Lanterns aren't happy about this, but lack the manpower to do anything significant.

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Awesomesauce. Also, the Reach here seem more based off of their pre-Crisis and YJ portrayals than, say, the Nu 52, which IMO is for the best. Seriously, was there anything that great that came out of the Nu 52? If there was, fine, but so far, there isn't really anything that comes to mind.

edited 16th Apr '16 1:43:18 PM by kkhohoho

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@Vampire Buddha: Wow, that's a lot to digest. Let me think about and I'll post my opinions later.

Yeah, well, Linkara did just do a Blue Beetle retrospective. And the Reach seem to be DC's only big interstellar empire, so I felt they should be included somehow.

I imagine the other Lantern Corps would also be present, with their comic origins more or less the same. I kind of want to tie in the Infinity Gems to the Emotional Spectrum Lanterns, but that presents its own set of issues.

Oh, and can we have every speedster use Speed Force? Seems much more elegant than having to come up with different mechanisms for Superman and Quicksilver to move ultrafast when the Flash mythos already accounts for that power.

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The problem there is that using the Speed Force also gives you extra special powers aside from just using Super Speed. For example, if Superman used the Speed Force, he'd effectively be able to phase through walls, pass his speed onto others, metabolize his wounds, use the Infinite Mass Punch, etc., on top of his other stuff. (Imagine the Infinite Mass Punch used by someone who can already move the moon if he tries hard enough.) I've got no problem with straight speedsters like Quicksilver using it, but characters with the Superpower Lottery should be exempt from it for fairness' sake.

edited 16th Apr '16 1:48:25 PM by kkhohoho

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OK, here are my opinions:

First, I recommend not using the name "God". The comics avoid it so as to not offend people (both believers and atheists) and while I don't particularly mind, I suggest using DC's The Presence or Marvel's The One Above All instead.

I also suggest that The Power Cosmic comes from The Source- thus justifying its name and the fact that is a glorified energy source for the New Gods.

We don't need Lovecraft's Elder God's; we already have Marvel's (such as Set) and DC's (The Demons Three.) In fact it was from their destruction that the later demon lords (Mephisto, Satannish, presumably DC's demon Lords as well) were born.

Going back to Judeo-Christianity, while I don't recall it ever being *official* I think it's pretty obvious that both Marvel and DC's angels are just extradimensional magical races like the Asgardians are. They sure don't come across as cosmic in scope.

Similarly, I have a problem with the Endless. They just cannot compare to Marvel's cosmic beings, neither in power nor in personality (was there any story where they were shown to be so powerful, rather than just somebody saying so?) For example, where was DC's Death when Nekron was claiming HE was Death personified and disrupting the Balance of Life? I know she later said he was exaggerating, but that still proves nothing. And let's face it: The Endless were NOT meant to be part of the DC Universe. Gaiman created them assuming he had free lease to interpret things his way. He made them very human in behavior because he wanted characters, not cosmic beings. At best, The Endless are probably minor avatars of greater beings (For example, Marvel's Death is known to have "reapers" on Earth; I guess that's what Perky Goth Death actually is- she CAN say she is Death, because she's an extension of her, without having her power or personality.)

The New Gods, btw, were born from Ragnarok (that was obviously Kirby's intention). It's just that the Old Gods who died were the original Asgardians- but a few cheated Fate by creating the Ragnarok Cycle, as seen in the pages of Thor- so Asgard is reborn every few millenia with no memory of its previous existence, or of the New gods spawned by the first.

I absolutely hate the idea that Ghost Rider was created by God rather than Satan/Mephisto. I'll leave it at that.

The Emotion Spectrum. Sigh. Another idea of Johns' that gives me headaches. (See Linkara's comments about him for more.) This is a) totally unnecessary and b) doesn't make much sense, and it's been discussed so much already I won't go into it here. Still, the Color Corps and Emotion Entities ARE a thing so I guess we must include it. However I suggest we separate the two. Let the Spectrum be tapped by mentalists or sorcerers, while the Lanterns use technology like they are meant to. For example the Red Lanterns might be agents of The Controllers instead.

Now, establishing a common origin between the Guardians and The Watchers, that's something I totally agree with.

While I like Idea of a Reach/Shiar war, the former are actually typically passive/aggressive (thus their use of scarab symbiotes). In fact I support the Reach as being behind one of the Lantern Corps (the Blue one, of course.) Similarly the Sinestro Corps is backed by the Weaponers of the Anti-Matter Universe of Qward (aka as The Negative Zone) who gave him his yellow Power Ring to start with.

There, that's *my* personal take overall. I can understand if not everyone agrees tough.

edited 16th Apr '16 2:22:09 PM by Sijo

I was thinking that Superman would be able to channel much less of the Speed Force than the Flashes. He can use enough to move supernaturally fast, but not enough to do any of the really crazy stuff.

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Not calling the Creator 'God': Reasonable. I figured we'd just use either 'Presence' or 'One Above All' myself, but at this stage of worldbuilding, 'God' was clearer.

Source giving rise to the Power Cosmic: Ooh, nice!

I didn't say we would have Cthulhu and friends, just that we could. Yeah, I guess if there's a bunch of Lovecraftian monstrosities in Marvel and DC canon, there's no particular reason to bring in the originals.

Endless: Oh, OK. I've never actually read Sandman, I thought it was more significant than that. No real objection to leaving them out altogether.

Ghost Rider: OK, I get that Mephisto should create the Ghost Riders. In that case, what does the Spectre think of them?

Emotional Spectrum: Shrug I actually like the Emotional Spectrum.

My idea of magic is that it ultimately isn't separate from science. Clearly, it exists in the universe, and so it can be studied scientifically; it's just that (human) science hasn't explained it yet. Kind of like how in the movie, Thor says that magic and science are the same thing. Plus, let's face it, for all the talk about the Green Lantern Rings being alien technology, they act much more like magic items. Why can't the Maltusians simply have properly documented and worked out the mechanisms of magic and used it to make technology?

As for the Reach-Shi'Ar war, my idea was that the war happened millennia ago and since the Reach weren't able to win, they changed tactics and became the subtle-passive race they are in canon.

New Gods and Ragnarok: OK, I can get on board with that.

I know the Asgardians are aliens in the movies, but I was under the impression that in the comics they're actual deities. Like, isn't Thor able to hear the prayers of his worshippers? DC Wikia specifically describes them as beings that God created to be his servants. Marvel is less consistent, since there is indeed a sort of supernatural alien race that adopted Thor's sister and sent her to fight Spawn, but there's also the servants of God.

edited 17th Apr '16 2:42:55 AM by VampireBuddha

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If we're doing Ragnarok i have an idea for that. I don't know how everyone feels about the Gods of Asgard but how about this? Ragnarok can be more similar to the Mythological Version than in the comics, meaning there will only be a few survivors (eg. Baldur, Magni, Modi, Vidarr, Vale, Hodr). But Loki manages to find a way to come back. Possibly through a dormant resurrection spell. Thor also comes back but not through resurrection, Through Reincarnation. It could be like the Ultimate and early 616 version of the character. He could believe he's an ordinary man until an event gives him his old memories (giving him his powers isn't needed, the Ultimate Universe has him get tech replacements for them).

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The Speed Force was invented to justify the stunts Flash could do that couldn't be explained just by running eg. time travel. Most other speedsters don't need it. Still, I can see certain Marvel characters (like The Runner) using it.

The Spectre is another case of a character growing beyond its original concept. Originally he was just a man sent back to Earth to bring his killers to justice, by something (presumably God, though the comic didn't actually say so). Then he stuck around and acted as a hero, because nobody at the time saw a problem with that (?) Then in the 50's he went around fighting demon lords using planets as weapons and such (!) and finally they reinvented him as the Wrath of God embodied in humans, something that's pretty questionable when you look at it closely. I suggest we stick to his being a murdered detective turned into an avenging ghost by some supernatural force or entity (not necessarily God) and definitely NOT the second most powerful being in the universe. And he probably would consider Ghost Rider a Hellspawn and attack him the first time, but then realizes he's a hero.

I'm not saying science and magic cannot be merged, in fact there are characters in both companies that have managed it. But the Lantern Corps are Science Fiction concepts, their powers already had scientific explanations so why change it? Just because Johns felt like retconning stuff to jam in his idea? Not to mention that there were already galactic-level organizations that fit into those roles (Manhunters, Darkstars etc.) But I'm open to suggestions here. (Just please, don't tell me that the Guardians are uncaring assholes. That was NEVER their original concept and it speaks poorly of the GL Corps for letting themselves be used.)

Asgardians are gods, in the sense that they are beings born (in other dimensions) from the energies left when most of the Elder Gods were devoured by the God-Eater. However they are basically immortal superhumans, and most of the primal religious myths eg. the origin of Earth and humanity, are just not true, humans or gods made them up. Also, I hate to bring this up, but it seems like there *is* a "god" who has been pretending to be THE God; it's this impostor who created the angels (and possibly Lucifer and his devils as well.) That's what I get from reading about him in the Marvel Handbooks, where it seems he and The One Above All are not the same being. To be honest, this would explain a lot of events in The Bible that don't really make much sense.

Works well. The only thing I object to is Thor getting tech-based replacement abilities. Rather, I think what should happen is Odin places the worthiness enchantment on Mjolnir and drops it into Midgard just before he himself gets eaten by Fenrir (and possibly subsequently reborn). Thor is reincarnated as Donald Blake, and since he's secretly Thor, he is of course worthy of wielding it and thus regaining the full powers of Thor... as long as he keeps hold of the hammer.

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Speed Force: Suppose we go with the tactile telekinesis explanation for Superman's powers. His superspeed could then be explained by directing telekinetic force upon himself, increasing his momentum and thus velocity. That gives him super-speed without needing the Speed Force, and also explains why he doesn't have some of Flash's crazier abilities. (Superman's max speed should also be significantly lower than what Flash and other pure speedsters can pull off to avoid them being redundant).

Spectre: Good call. Bring him back to his original portrayal, as a dead dude given special powers by presumably God (maybe) to punish evil. Maybe he could even be the same type of being as Ghost Rider. I don't mean make him an actual Ghost Rider, but in a spiritual taxonomy textbook, they would be on the same page.

Science and magic: Yeah, I really don't think most of the mystical/cosmic background stuff would come up in any story. I really just want us to start with a consistent cosmology, rather than taking developing independent mythologies and trying to jam them together. OK, that is what we're doing, but by working out the background details now, we can at least ensure we're all on the same page and there is a single cosmogony to build off, thus keeping our own mashup internally consistent.

Anyway. I was thinking of science and mysticism as different ways of looking at the world. Spider-Man has been doing this recently with the spider totem idea. Did Peter get spider powers because a radioactive spider bit him, or because the Master Weaver willed it? The answer is yes. There's a scene in Spider-Verse where Old Man Spider tries to explain why Silk, Scarlet Spider, and Benjy Parker are important, but Superior Spider-Man shouts him down and starts lecturing on what he's discovered by science - but his findings are precisely what Old Man Spider had already determined by mysticism.

We know the Lantern Corps use devices to manipulate fundamental forces and energies of the universe. When you get right down to it, so do magicians. Heck, so do tech-based characters. Under my idea, the Green Lanterns would never be treated as anything other than science fiction (with the possible exception of Alan Scott), and the magicians as fantasy, but we the writers would know that, ultimately, at a deep level, there is a common basis for all their powers. They just approach it completely differently.

And besides, in a universe with both magic and supertechnology, it is important to know how the two types of story intersect.

edited 17th Apr '16 10:42:46 AM by VampireBuddha

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Speaking of Ragnarok, should we incorporate the New Gods to it. IIRC Jack Kirby's original plans for the ending of Thor was that Ragnarok happened and killed off all the Norse Gods leading into the next cycle which saw the creation of the New Gods of Apokolips and New Genesis that we see in DC. Or would that not make any sense in a continuity perspective (personally I want to see something like that happen in this universe for the sake of recreating Kirby's original vision on the New Gods).

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Allow me to explain my Asgardians/New Gods theory:

According to Marvel, Ragnarok HAS already happened, and has happened again *numerous times* The reason for this is that, for some reason, the Norse gods are doomed to die in it. However, it turned out that a group of them found a way to cheat death: by using the "Skein of Fate" they started the Ragnarok Cycle, which causes Asgard to be reborn with no memory of the previous versions. Meanwhile, the survivors of the original one hid and became known as Those Who Sit Above in Shadow. (This was done mainly to explain the differences between mythological Asgard and Marvel Comics Asgard.)

Now in DC, we have the Old Gods, whose very names (Baaldur, etc.) indicate they were the Norse Gods. Obviously, Kirby wanted to take their Death/New Beginning legend as a spring for his New Gods Saga. So, how do we combine the two concepts?

Simple: The First Ragnarok led to the creation of New Genesis and Apokolips, and that would have been the end for the Norse gods EXCEPT for the Ragnarok Cycle plan, which recreated Asgard in a different dimension. 'Those Above' did this on purpose to avoid their plan being discovered. And to this day, most beings, including the Asgardians and New Gods, are unaware of this, though they might find out if they ever met and compared notes.

edited 17th Apr '16 2:15:37 PM by Sijo

I like the Asgardian/ new gods idea. what is this? are you all making a comic or are we simply creating a universe? either way it looks awesome.

I took it, AND THREW IT ON THE GROUND!

I imagine at some point we'll start writing it, though it will just be script fics unless someone with artistic talent stumbles across the project.

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Mostly the latter really

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We are free to use these ideas for fan fiction, I guess.

Pretty much. Though as far as any ideas related to Justice Society and Guardians of the Galaxy in this universe, I call dibs!

So far I have an awesome idea with the two starting back in the other shared universe thread.

1. For JSA, the founding members include Flash, Green Lantern, Hawkgirl, Captain America, Human Torch, Namor and Doctor Fate. The plot revolves around the missing of Hawkman who was last seen in Europe on an archiology trip and a conspiracy of acquiring ultimate power which involve a gathering of super villains helping the Nazis.

2. For Guardians of the Galaxy I want the members to include Starlord, Gamora, Drax, Adam Warlock, Rocket, Groot, Starfire (who is going to be pretty young at this point) and Lobo (who will be the Obviously Evil member). Hawkgirl and Adam Warlock will join later on down the story (the former will be an Inspector Javert and the latter will just be an inanimate object for the duration of the story). I attend the plot to be a combination of the GOTG movie story, the Rann-Thanagar War, and Adam Warlock's origin (though I may have change it a bit to say he is the physical manifistation of the Soul Gem).

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Except where is that supposed to leave The Invaders and L.E.G.I.O.N? IF you take members away from those and other teams just for the sake of mingling the rosters together, what are we supposed to do with those other teams? No offense, but I still agree with Sijo here. We should only merge teams and ideas together when it's appropriate, and I just don't think your ideas for the JSA and the Guardians are appropriate, no offense.

Anyhoo, speaking of the JSA, I'd like to take another stab at my ideas for a Golden Age series somewhere down the road, so I might as well toss my ideas out here. Now, my main problem with the last one and why I ended up discontinuing it is because I used way to many characters. This time around, I'd want to stick to just 11 characters or so, only adding in characters if I take out other ones, though guest stars are always welcome. As for just what the group is, it would basically be a select group of characters from the All Star Squadron, grouped together in a Specific Squad. With a roster as large as the ASS would no doubt get, it would make sense for them to be split up into multiple different squads to better manage them. With that said, here's who I had in mind:

• Captain America
• Namor
• Human Torch I
• Black Widow I
• Green Lantern I
• Flash I
• Atom I
• Hourman I
• Wonder Woman I (Hippolyta)
• Dr.Midnight I
• Robotman I

This wouldn't take away from the JSA or the Invaders, as most of the latter would still be part of the squad here, and the former would probably just be absorbed into the ASS anyway, it's members free to be divvied up however the top brass liked, though before and the after the war, it's business as usual for them. Now, I also realize that normally, GL and BW wouldn't be able to go overseas due to their mystical properties, but I've got a way around that. For GL, we can just remove the mystical aspects from his origin and say that the Starheart is just a lump of raw GL excess metal that got tossed into space and wound up on Earth. Alan made a ring and Lantern from it, and the rest is history. As for BW, she's basically a brainwashed servant of the Devil, so how could her mind be overtaken by the Spear of Destiny if it's already been overtaken by the Devil? So that should take care of that.

Anyhoo, the plot would still largely be the same as in the previous version. Vandal Savage is the main antagonist, siding with Hitler during WWII for his own purposes. He would also be accompanied by his wife and child, (made up for this series,) who are nearly as immortal and twisted as he is, the former of which being so due to receiving a blood transfusion from him. (Of course, to prevent any modern continuity kerfuffles, they get the axe by the end of the series, though what can you do?) Anyway, Vandal would be the Big Bad of the series, handling the Superhuman side of things for the Axis and doing his best for the war effort, or so it seems.

When the war's just about over and the AXIS nearly beaten, Savage reveals his master-stroke. He deactivates the Spear of Destiny, and so the mystical heroes, sensing this wondrous miracle, head in to deliver the coup de grace, only for Savage to activate it once more and put the mystical heroes in his thrall, whereupon he has them create his very own cosmic cube. The other heroes thus have to take down Savage, activate the spear, and prevent Savage from gaining the powers of the cube in the first place. They manage to do so, and the day is saved, or so it appears. Years later, on the final day before the JSA is forced to retire due to the efforts of HUAC, Savage manages to complete his cosmic cube in secret, and rewrites reality under everyone's noses. Thus, the Golden Age heroes must break free of Savage's control and rally together to defeat him and save the day one last time, before their age comes to an end.

Oh, and there's also an invasion from Earth X somewhere in the middle of that. Captain America gets captured, and so the other heroes have to route Earth X and save him in his stead. Oh, and most of the Freedom Fighters head over to Earth X to try and save it from the Nazi's that are quickly taking it over, only to be seen again decades later when the Justice League crosses over there on one of their many grand adventures.

At any rate, that's the plan. It's more or less like the first go around, only with small changes to accommodate the current setting and a much more manageable roster. I might even have to trim it down a bit more just to make sure I can handle it, though we'll see. Any thoughts?

edited 20th Apr '16 8:45:13 AM by kkhohoho

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I want to point out I'm not opposed to teams trading members. I just like it when it makes sense. For example, the only reason Namor helped The Invaders was because the Axis attacked Atlantis. He had no love for the USA, having attacked it himself more than once.

Btw I find Black Widow's origin terribly iffy. Remember that lots of demons have pretended to be THE Devil. I doubt any of them would possess the power to overcome an artifact that was supposedly created by being used to kill Christ. (Actually, I never believed that, either. I have a different theory but this one is just my opinion, it's not canon in anyway that I know. I think it's really Gungnir, Odin's Spear. Why? Because the Germans were suspected of having mystics searching for artifacts to help them win the war (remember Indiana Jones?) Also during the war the Valkyries were on the Nazi's side, even when outside the Axis field. But why would Hitler have it? Perhaps due to some ancient pact made between Odin and his German worshipers that Hitler's cabal invoked. Wouldn't be the first time one of Odin's plans blew on his face.)

Btw I do like the idea of the Guardians of the Galaxy being members of the L.E.G.I.O.N. instead. It makes sense and avoids the confusion with the Guardians of the Universe.

Finally, I think we should use these ideas as starting points for our stories, with no compromise as to continuity. Then, after reading each other's stories, we can decide which ones are mutually canon. That way, we all get to write what we want AND we create a shared universe.

edited 19th Apr '16 6:53:52 PM by Sijo

See your point, here is my counter arguement justifying such suggestion.

1. For the Invaders, that is easy they are merge with the Justice Society as one teamjust using said team's name as such (or another name, maybe All Winner Squad . . . nah, that will take away from us the All Star Squadron. If you want Invaders in this universe, then the code name for the sub team containing Cap, Namor and Human Torch can be used during the mission to storm the Nazi base while the others sneak in saving Hawkman (well that is what I intended for).

2. For LEGION . . . wait no mention for Omega Man. Cause out of all the space DC Teams I am worried about is those guys. Speaking of space based teams, the Starjammers also exist and seeing how the tone for the GOTG in this universe is based on the movie (and recent comics . . . maybe a little from the Dan Abnett ones) I am taking away the space pirates identity. You know, seeing how the problem here lies in changes in story lines I am doing and not in members I will make these arguements: 1) this is a universe different from the two other universe, changes to stories and groups are inevitable in a merge universe like this and 2) we could be thinking of a different Rann-Thanagarien War (I read the Silver Age one).

Guess what I am saying is that I am not trying to take away anything from a team with these suggestions. Either they do exist just under a different name (Invaders) or I just haven't planned ahead with the story (LEGION, which now makes me worry about all the other space cop teams I have to incorporate like Green Lantern Corps, Nova Corps, etc).

That could work. Maybe as a sub team of the LEGION (which can play like a mega team similar to its future counterpart) along with the Omega Men.

Speaking of future: Guardians of the Galaxy (future ones) and Legion of Superheroes. Should we set them up similar to how the JLA and Avengers are in this universe? Cause if so maybe the difference should be one is a funded group intended to train young heroes to become the protectors of the universe and the other can be a freelance group of space heroes who helps any planet they encounter out of good will.

edited 19th Apr '16 7:06:30 PM by BigK1337

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There's no problem with the Nova Corps coexisting with the GL Corps since they are in different galaxies (Xandar is in Andromeda, aka as The Skrull Galaxy.) I'm more annoyed by the multiple Color Corps but I guess I can live with them. -_- Btw those Nova characters that were recruited from our galaxy can be Lanterns instead (except Richard Rider, since his origin came about due to a Nova crashing on Earth. Remember our solar system has a major space warp on it.)

As for the Legion of Superheroes, very likely the (future) Guardians of the Galaxy would be members (representing the planets of our solar system.) In their case they formed in an alternate future (the one where Earth was conquered by "Martians" actually aliens from Cygnus using the abandoned Mars as a base.) Also in THEIR future Earth was conquered by the Badoon, that's very unlikely to happen in a reality with the Legion. So let's assume in the "main" timeline neither invasion happened, the Legion formed and the heroes who would have formed the Guardians joined it instead. (Hey, it's a Legion after all. )

edited 19th Apr '16 7:42:00 PM by Sijo

And now you brought up LOSH and their multiple choice alternate realities. Better start bringing out the Zelda Timeline Charts cause now we are going to work on all (or maybe some of) the alternate universes.

1. Can the Sentinels be the ones responsible for the cause of the Great Disaster in Kamandi, cause in the Days of Future Past storyline the robots manage to somehow kill off all of Marvel's superheroes (including the Hulk) so its not beyond reason for the robots to be able to kill Superman if they manage to replicate kryptonite.

2. Was going to suggest Terry McGinnis operating as Batman in 2099 but he is barred due to the years Batman Beyond take place in and being a cartoon character.

edited 19th Apr '16 8:00:41 PM by BigK1337

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Honestly, I'm not even sure what the actual original cause of the Great Disaster was, to be honest.

edited 19th Apr '16 8:09:52 PM by kkhohoho

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Base on what I read, there was no given origin of said Great Disaster or what it is specifically. So I guess the Sentinels action in Days of Future Past could be one good reason as to the near extinction of humanity (as well as serve as a reason why humans are living in bunkers; either as protection from the robots or said bunkers were made by the Sentinels to cage captured humans/mutants).

edited 19th Apr '16 8:18:10 PM by BigK1337

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Actually, it was *Marvel* who decided that the future Guardians of the Galaxy lived in the same timeline as Killraven, making the Second Martian Invasion (these are HG Well's Martians in case you didn't know) canon, as well as an alternate future and not the main 616 reality. So don't blame me. This is why I support the Guardians being in the Legion instead.

And no, the Great Disaster's origin was not explained. There were hints though. At first it was supposed to have been a nuclear war. But then it was decided (apparently) to have been due to that virus released during one of those post-52 crossovers I hated so much I didn't read. Something to do with Karate Kid time traveling, I guess.

Oh and I hear that Batman Beyond is/will be canon soon. So, we can use him. We could say he shares a future with Iron Man 2020 or Avengers Next.