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Spark9 Gentleman Troper! from Castle Wulfenbach Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#1: Aug 28th 2013 at 9:33:58 AM

Both the page for These Hands Have Killed and for Blood on These Hands point out that the tropes usually occur together. Indeed, I'm having trouble seeing what the difference is. In the first, the person responsible for a death expresses horror and regret about this, and in the latter, the person who just killed someone expresses shock and guilt about it.

So we either should find a meaningful distinction and fix the trope descriptions, or a merge is in order.

BOTH has 106 wicks, 55 inbounds; THFK has 168 wicks, 60 inbounds; hence if merged, THFK would probably be the best name.

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#2: Aug 28th 2013 at 9:46:27 AM

I am not seeing any meaningful difference between these two. Merge.

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Madrugada Zzzzzzzzzz Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: In season
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#3: Aug 28th 2013 at 9:54:27 AM

Merge. Blood on These Hands even says straight out that it's the Stock Phrase that is virtually always used in conjunction with the visual trope of These Hands Have Killed. Make Blood on These Hands into a redirect.

{eta: change "keep" to make", lest I be confusing.]

edited 28th Aug '13 10:30:07 AM by Madrugada

...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
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Rethkir A Trusted Friend in Science and Ponies from the gap between dimensions Since: Mar, 2013
#5: Aug 28th 2013 at 10:37:24 AM

These were both up on Image Pickin' a while back. One image on one page was moved to the other.
Just a Face and a Caption: These Hands Have Killed
Does Not Illustrate: Blood On These Hands

edited 28th Aug '13 10:37:33 AM by Rethkir

Image Source. Please update whenever an image is changed.
Discar Since: Jun, 2009
#6: Aug 28th 2013 at 10:38:25 AM

Merge. For the record These Hands Have Killed is slightly more popular, at 168 wicks vs 106.

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AnotherDuck No, the other one. from Stockholm Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Mu
No, the other one.
#9: Aug 28th 2013 at 6:02:43 PM

Trying to remember what I thought back in those threads, I think it was along the lines of figuring out the difference. I'm not sure it's significant enough, so a merge isn't entirely wrong.

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StarSword Captain of USS Bajor from somewhere in deep space Since: Sep, 2011
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#10: Aug 28th 2013 at 6:22:05 PM

[up]One's a trope, the other is a Stock Phrase that goes with it. The precedent as far as I'm aware of (Hold Me and Security Cling) is to merge the phrase into the trope.

tryrar Since: Sep, 2010
#11: Aug 29th 2013 at 1:05:23 PM

.....I've been staring at the two pages for a few minutes, and honestly cannot for the life of me see any difference. Merge

MikuruFan from Away Since: Nov, 2012
#12: Aug 31st 2013 at 2:11:16 PM

Crowner made. I see no opposition, but I hope it is not too early.

Willbyr Hi (Y2K) Relationship Status: With my statistically significant other
Prfnoff Since: Jan, 2001
#14: Aug 31st 2013 at 4:18:56 PM

One minor problem with merging is that, like many stock phrases, Blood on These Hands can be used metaphorically.

Spark9 Gentleman Troper! from Castle Wulfenbach Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#15: Sep 1st 2013 at 12:08:55 AM

Given that it has the stronger wick count, and to prevent the need for a second crowner afterwards, I've edited the crowner to clarify which trope would be merged INTO which. I hope nobody minds :)

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#17: Sep 1st 2013 at 1:45:36 AM

Bloody Hand could be used as it's own trope if it has significant examples.

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Stratadrake Dragon Writer Since: Oct, 2009
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#18: Sep 1st 2013 at 9:06:49 AM

If the concept is the same then a merge is definitely in order, though I do like BOTHnote  better as the destination title.

edited 1st Sep '13 9:07:07 AM by Stratadrake

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Willbyr Hi (Y2K) Relationship Status: With my statistically significant other
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#20: Sep 22nd 2013 at 7:09:21 AM

Let's get a few more votes before calling this one.

acrobox Since: Nov, 2010
#21: Sep 22nd 2013 at 9:54:12 AM

Agree with merge, but can Blood on These Hands be the title. It's more poetic that the straightforward These Hands Have Killed and carries the same meaning.

Leaper Since: May, 2009
#22: Sep 22nd 2013 at 6:50:17 PM

Voted for merge, although I do want to point out that Blood on These Hands says it can be used for an outside party to accuse a killer. Don't know if that's significant enough, though.

lu127 Paper Master from 異界 Since: Sep, 2011 Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#23: Oct 7th 2013 at 9:55:08 AM

Calling for These Hands Have Killed.

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#24: Oct 7th 2013 at 10:55:19 AM

Did the merging and tagging, save for two wicks on locked pages that have edit requests pending.

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31st Aug '13 2:09:29 PM

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