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Poor choice of words, but there is a difference between "letting" and "being incapable of stopping." As we all know You Can't Thwart Stage One. If any villain decides to go on a murder spree of any sort, we would have to trust Superman to be fast enough and precise enough to intercept that act and neutralize it. Notice too that while Zod was callous in his destruction he didn't target any individual people until Superman had the advantage. Keeping Zod's focus on him prevented a lot of potential damage too than if Zod just start destroying everything.

But the fact of the matter is, we don't actually see Superman save any random civilians. Without that aspect and with the fact that he basically makes out with Lois in the rubble of Metropolis, it makes him seem callous.

He saved Col. Hardy and that one family from the eye beams. So three guys, not nobody. Alright enough, but still could have done more. Could have caught that truck that Zod threw at him like Iron Man did against Stane, rather than just letting it fly past him and explode.

edited 11th Jun '15 4:29:29 PM by Tuckerscreator

This conversation makes me really hope the immense collateral damage cased in Man of Steel and Superman not holding himself responsible enough for it is a big part of what is driving Batman in Bv S.

Which means that Batman might "win" not by overpowering Superman physically, but by getting him to concede on a more philosophical level.

edited 11th Jun '15 4:52:09 PM by Falrinn

No, not at all. That villain was instigating his own genocide. If say Dormamu was gonna come into our world and wipe out all of humanity, and in stopping him HYDRA managed to save humanity but some collateral damage happened, you bet your ass I would be saying "Heil Hydra"

By the way, why it seems Captain America never gets any flak on making the Helicarriers destroy each other over IIRC heavily populated areas? He lucked out they fell where they couldn't cause a lot of civilian damage, but for all he knew they could have fallen where they could kill hundreds of innocents.

The Triskeleon seemed to be comfortably outside of the more heavily populated areas of Washington DC and the Helicarriers were mostly over the Potomac river or the Triskeleon itself when they went down. While there probably was some collateral damage, it's not like any of them crashed into downtown DC.

We are also dealing with a what if scenario here. Captain America knew where the Helicarriers were and roughly where they would crash when he gave the order to fire. Had one or more of them been directly over a heavily populated area, we don't know if he would of adapted his plan to avoid that problem.

This is a very different situation then the collateral damage in Man of Steel, which resulted in multiple densely populated city blocks being completely leveled.

edited 11th Jun '15 6:41:24 PM by Falrinn

The Helicarriers were not over a heavily populated area — the Helicarriers were all rising up from the Triskelion, which is at the foot of the Roosevelt Bridge. During the battle on the Helicarriers, they basically evacuated everybody from the Triskelion and surrounding areas, so aside from the Triskelion itself, there was no major collateral damage.

edited 11th Jun '15 6:33:59 PM by alliterator

Okay, thanks for the memory refreshener.

Does anyone know where that forum post with the full post about Clark and Zod being "adults" is? Something about how Supes using lethal force against a human would be like an adult killing a toddler(abuse and totally wrong and unneeded)? Just curious.

^ My post, number 2505. Has a youtube link to Max Landis talking about Man of Steel. He's critical of the movie, but not in a "Marvel does it better" way.

But let's be fair about the Superman and Lois kiss. It is not them on a date and making out in a field of dead corpses, a picnic basket and blanket nearby. They both, in fact, had just narrowly escaped a deadly event. As they land in ground zero of a disaster area they are not thinking "We are breathing in asbestos" but "Holy shit we are still alive." Combined with their growing attraction to each other, it's obviously a Glad to Be Alive Kiss. Which is sort of defined by being an inappropriate moment to do so.

edited 11th Jun '15 10:13:21 PM by KJMackley

I admit, I keep forgetting him blowing more stuff up because honestly....at this point of the movie the last thing I want to see is more action. The killing of Zod should have been the absolute climax, not something thrown in between explosions.

HNNGGNNNGNNNNN

Sorry I hate Max Landis, seeing his name typed sends me into a rage seizure.

Now for something completely different.

This is my favorite Joker moment across all media:

There's just so much completely wrong with it, which means so much is completely right, since this is the Joker.

Ray Fisher's all about the Borg life

http://dccomicsmovie.com/ray-fisher-is-all-about-the-borg-life/

Viola Davis talked about Amanda Waller at length with Jimmy Kimmel, even showing off her "Suicide Squad" battle wound.

http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/suicide-squads-davis-waller-would-make-superman-quake-in-his-tights

Grain of Salt, but Collider is reporting that the GL reboot will have both Hal and John, as well as possibly Guy.

Green Lantern is so far away that I really don't care and will just consider any reporting on it to be outright wrong.

Cool.

At this stage ideas are likely just being thrown around, I'm certain a "Let's include everyone" pitch has been made or even seriously considered. That doesn't mean it is locked in as the primary story.

Although, now that I think about it, it would be pretty cool to have a Lethal Weapon In Space approach. Green Lantern: First Flight was Training Day In Space.

edited 23rd Jun '15 10:29:30 PM by KJMackley

Take this with a pound of salt because it's from Latino Review, but reportedly Chris Terrio (Argo, Batman V. Superman) will write and Ben Affleck will both direct and star in The Batman for 2018.

Affleck did a good job directing Argo so I have no bad things to say if this turns out correct.

I doubt they would have pick Ben Affleck if they didn't want him to direct a Solo Batman film. Also they did say when the whole slate was announced that a solo Batman and a Man of Steel 2 be released sometime during that slate.

I hope it will be an adaptation of Under the Red Hood.

Arkham Knight happening has made me super hopeful Under the Red Hood will get a live action adaptation. Now JT isn't such an obscure character anymore.

Whoops my mistake. I meant to post that in the MCU thread. So sorry.

edited 25th Jun '15 9:25:26 AM by windleopard