Not Tropeworthy (new crowner 8/2/13): Completed Fic

I'm sorry, I'm not sure what you're saying.

Anyway, my basic point is that it's not some kind of weirdo fandom specific term that needs defining.

edited 29th Jul '13 12:09:25 PM by Leaper

I agree. It's not a fan term. "Shipping" is a fan-term. "Completed Fic" isn't. It's pretty self explanatory. There's nothing to define here.

Plus for the people who go "We need this so people can find completed fan fics" We have Fan Fic recommendations already. Put there a note if a particular fic is completed or not. And Fan Fic Rec are more convinient anyway since you can browse fan fics based on the works they are a fanfic OF.

edited 29th Jul '13 12:15:36 PM by CobraPrime

Less of a term and more of a commonly used classification.

Reposting near the top of the page since it's not attached yet.

Just because a fanfic is more noticeable to its fans when it dies off doesn't really make it any different than an incomplete novel. Or a show that got canceled or whatever. I still don't get why fanfics alone get to have the completion label. I mean, if anything, any work ought to go on it. Since that's silly, the page seems worthless.

I have hollered to get it hooked, just for the record.

Also, I am going to ask if there is a classification like this for non-fanfics too.

"Not part of Tvtropes function"

IT IS part of it. We're a wiki about media entertainment(and then some) in all it's forms. Cataloging said media in various ways is one the primary things we do. Be it by genre, use of a certain trope, length(Door Stopper, Long Runner), type of media, or numerous other things we have work indexs for.

And within the fanfic community, a full length fic coming to full completion is notable. By the logic you're appling we shouldn't have Long-Runners or Doorstopper because a work being long isn't notable either.

edited 29th Jul '13 1:02:30 PM by shoboni

You imply I think those pages should remain. I never said so. I fully agree. Those are equally as useless as Completed Fic. But this is a thread for Completed Fic.

Well, maybe Door Stopper can be a fan term, since at least it's not flippin' obvious.

edited 29th Jul '13 1:52:47 PM by CobraPrime

Long-Runners is an index. Doorstopper is marked as "trope" by the page type.

Yes. and we already have a page about that phenomenon, about how many fics never get finished. It's called "Dead Fic". Still doesn't tell me why we need a second.

Having to opposing tropes is nothing new(liks Dark Is Evil and Dark Is Not Evil, or Long Runner and Short-Runner).

Being obvious has nothing to do with it either, we have many obvious tropes, like Long Runner for example.

edited 29th Jul '13 3:23:56 PM by shoboni

Can someone quickly remind me: when a "do nothing" option is on a crowner, and it's in the red, but no change option has a solid majority, does the "do nothing" option still win by default, even though/no matter how much it's voted down?

ETA on-topic question: what percentage of fanfics would you all estimated is completed?

I think one reason the Longrunners comparison falls down for me is because there's a lot of space between Too Good to Last and Longrunners, while with fanfics, it's binary; it's destined to become either a Dead Fic or a Completed Fic. There's no end result that lies in between.

edited 29th Jul '13 3:46:12 PM by Leaper

Do nothing is always default, yes. If there's no option with a clear majority, there's nothing to do.

I did some checking on the percentages before, actually, but I don't remember exactly what they were, though. For fics below 5k words, half or most are complete; don't remember the ratio. For above 5k words, I think there was something like a 2:1 ratio of incomplete vs complete fics. Based on a few of the larger fandoms on Fanfiction Dot Net, and the search tool there.

I would say roughly a 33% completion rate/66% death rate makes it notable. That's a overwhelming about of dead fics to complete ones.

edited 29th Jul '13 3:59:36 PM by shoboni

That's unfortunate. I understand why, but strikes me as a tricky and possibly exploitable way of basically defying/negating the results of a crowner and getting a result implemented that people have clearly said they don't want.

edited 29th Jul '13 4:00:53 PM by Leaper

Well, both "people want the page to remain as-is" and "people can't agree on what to do" have the same practical result, even if everyone agrees that something needs to be done in the latter case. Then there might be a reason to check out what compromises that can be agreeable there are.

Also did a quick check on the completion numbers. Basically accurate. The numbers for above 5k were much more similar between fandoms, while below it was more varied, but still generally between 6:3 and 6:5. I can mention that I picked 5k words as a cut-off mark as I think that's the best one for one-shots (1k being too short and 10k too long).

edited 29th Jul '13 4:10:38 PM by AnotherDuck

Septimus left off the "make into an index" option. Added.

Interesting. Still, while I could see myself relaxing my opposition to cutting/merging, not having examples is a hill I'll defend to the bitter end. There is nothing good that can come of it, and only makes the page (and us) look ridiculous. I've already explained why I think the comparison to Longrunners and its ilk isn't applicable to this case, so I'll see how the crowner goes.

edited 29th Jul '13 4:15:43 PM by Leaper

It's been said before, aside from obvious things like cutting the pedo-pandering we shouldn't care how people think of us. As one person said, pointing and laughing "look at those nerds" is pointless because the site pretty much made for nerding out about works of fiction.

Looks like index is winning by ratio, but I think we should let it go for a while since this is a heated debate with this one.

Oh, the fact the page is mostly MLP fics came up, that's because I was the first tp start indexing on it and that's may specialty at the moment. It needs other people to add stuff from fandoms they know about.

edited 29th Jul '13 6:20:27 PM by shoboni

Never mind.

edited 29th Jul '13 5:33:52 PM by Arha

The crowner has been hooked less than 12 hours ago. I would not use the current tally as an argument.

Also, we do operate under a 2/3 rule, so if none of the options get the 2/3 ratio we don't do anything. I know I do not always like that either, but that's common procedure.

Is that supposed to mean "do nothing"? The wording is awkward there.

Yep.

Then can that be made clear please? The wording relies entirely on another option, the merge.

Added a "do nothing" option.

Also, this is another crowner whose votes act up.