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 1 Larkmarn, Thu, 20th Jun '13 8:01:33 AM Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
First off: I like this trope. A lot. The basic trope seems to be "the viewer holds characters on-screen accountable for information that's only available to the viewer." That's a great Audience Reaction trope, and yet the page isn't thriving. Four examples. Two of the four examples are just plain Genre Blindness (most of the Horror movie one is Genre Blindness, and all of the Juno one, since Juno actually does see pretty much everything the audience does, the difference being she's a 16 year old girl). Nine wicks, only five of which are actually articles.

I think part of the reason is the tremendously generic name. Viewer Myopia really could mean almost any kind of myopic response, and certainly sounds synonymous to Fan Myopia. I think a rename and then some crosswicking could do this a lot of good, as well as clean up the description (since it sort of rambles to make its point).

It's something that happens a lot or sounds like it should happen a lot. The name is poor too. I support renaming.

The trope is the "historian's mistake" as applied to works of fiction. More information is in the description for Artistic License - History. The description potholes the knowledge of future events to Omniscient Morality License, though that's In-Universe examples.

edited 20th Jun '13 8:13:36 AM by MikuruFan

 3 Septimus Heap, Thu, 20th Jun '13 8:13:50 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
Also, that description needs to start off with the description, not with an Example as a Thesis.

Yeah, the Example as a Thesis threw me off a little.

This page looks like it has great potential. I support a rename.

 6 Larkmarn, Thu, 20th Jun '13 8:24:11 AM Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
Yeah, that's sort of what I meant when I said "it rambles." Sorry for being unclear. The connection to Omniscient Morality License occurred to me, but I didn't know exactly what the connection is.

 7 Madrugada, Thu, 20th Jun '13 8:31:57 AM Relationship Status: In season
Zzzzzzzzzz
Did a quick fix: Chopped the Example As Thesis and split the sentence defining the trope into its own (opening) paragraph.

No time to do more on it right now...
'He strutted across the bedroom, his hard manhood pointing the way' sounds like he owns a badly named seeing-eye dog. 'Sit, Hard Manhood!
 8 Septimus Heap, Sun, 23rd Jun '13 5:05:46 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
Are we ready for a rename crowner?

 9 Larkmarn, Sun, 23rd Jun '13 8:23:14 AM Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
Definitely needs one, but for the life of me I can't think of anything good.

 10 Spark 9, Sun, 23rd Jun '13 2:02:42 PM from Castle Wulfenbach Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Gentleman Troper!
I'm not sure why this is YMMV; wouldn't it be an Audience Reaction?

This clearly has nothing to do with our 'myopia' line of snowclones, so I agree with renaming. In the spirit of brainstorming, let me offer Viewers Have More Information or Characters Cant Read The Script

edited 23rd Jun '13 2:02:56 PM by Spark9

Special trousers. Very heroic.
 11 Septimus Heap, Sun, 23rd Jun '13 2:04:43 PM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
Yeah, I would shift the indexes.

One problem with this Audience Reaction is that it lends itself poorly to concrete examples.

 12 Another Duck, Sun, 23rd Jun '13 2:08:06 PM from Stockholm Relationship Status: Chocolate!
No, the other one.
Judging Outside Context?
Check out my fanfiction!
 13 nrjxll, Mon, 24th Jun '13 1:04:28 AM Relationship Status: Not war
I kind of think this doesn't need examples at all.

 14 Septimus Heap, Mon, 24th Jun '13 1:07:07 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
It will need something though. A list of affected tropes, for one.

 15 Willbyr, Mon, 24th Jun '13 6:01:21 AM from North Little Rock, AR Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
With Mod Hat On
GAH! I got holler posts confused...disregard the clock. The requested crowner is hooked.

edited 24th Jun '13 6:03:24 AM by Willbyr

 16 Septimus Heap, Mon, 24th Jun '13 6:03:31 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
Thanks for the response, mistake nonwithstanding, though.

 17 Septimus Heap, Thu, 11th Jul '13 3:11:47 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
Votes bump. We are at 10-0 for a rename.

I read the trope description, and it reminded me of an effect that I've been told appears in some Real Life people with autism. It's called a theory of mind deficit or mind-blindness. Look at the Sally-Anne test, developed by the Baron-Cohen who didn't play that character from Fake Kazakhstan, and tell me it isn't this trope. Therefore, I propose Viewer Mind Blindness because it uses a pre-existing term. Excuse me for a moment while I add Sally-Anne to the article's real-life section.

edited 11th Jul '13 6:12:41 AM by DamianYerrick

 19 Septimus Heap, Thu, 11th Jul '13 5:54:16 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
While that name seems to be "accurate", the fact that I had to look it up on Wikipedia isn't a sign that it will be easy to understand.

Item #2 in the lead of this page uses Wuxia as an example of an accurate yet opaque title. Might it too need a rename once a slot opens?

 21 Septimus Heap, Thu, 11th Jul '13 6:33:24 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
No, because that's a genre that's named exactly that.

 22 Larkmarn, Thu, 11th Jul '13 7:31:38 AM Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
Wuxia is a term most people with any more familiarity with the subject than "knowing Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon exists" know, and there really isn't an English equivalent.

Anyhoo, onto this subject... Viewer Based Morality? Viewer Morality License?

 23 Septimus Heap, Thu, 11th Jul '13 7:35:28 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
This isn't just about morality, though.

 24 Noaqiyeum, Thu, 11th Jul '13 3:50:08 PM from across the gulf of space Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
the it-thingy
Audience Projection? Or is that too broad?

Audience Advantage? (Audience Apprehension Advantage?)
tiinker, Tailor, hunter!!!, wwhaler
d0ct0r, L4WY3R, MUTANT, C)(I-EF
STRONGman, wEAKMAN, JoKeRmAn, Th8ef
 25 StarSword, Thu, 11th Jul '13 4:04:35 PM from somewhere in deep space Relationship Status: In denial

Alternative Titles: Viewer Myopia
14th Jul '13 9:06:19 AM
Vote up names you like, vote down names you don't. Whether or not the title will actually be changed is determined with a different kind of crowner (the Single Proposition crowner). This one just collects and ranks alternative titles.
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