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Deadlock Clock: Jun 27th 2013 at 11:59:00 PM
Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#1: Jun 20th 2013 at 8:01:33 AM

First off: I like this trope. A lot. The basic trope seems to be "the viewer holds characters on-screen accountable for information that's only available to the viewer." That's a great Audience Reaction trope, and yet the page isn't thriving. Four examples. Two of the four examples are just plain Genre Blindness (most of the Horror movie one is Genre Blindness, and all of the Juno one, since Juno actually does see pretty much everything the audience does, the difference being she's a 16 year old girl). Nine wicks, only five of which are actually articles.

I think part of the reason is the tremendously generic name. Viewer Myopia really could mean almost any kind of myopic response, and certainly sounds synonymous to Fan Myopia. I think a rename and then some crosswicking could do this a lot of good, as well as clean up the description (since it sort of rambles to make its point).

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MikuruFan from Away Since: Nov, 2012
#2: Jun 20th 2013 at 8:10:33 AM

It's something that happens a lot or sounds like it should happen a lot. The name is poor too. I support renaming.

The trope is the "historian's mistake" as applied to works of fiction. More information is in the description for Artistic License – History. The description potholes the knowledge of future events to Omniscient Morality License, though that's In-Universe examples.

edited 20th Jun '13 8:13:36 AM by MikuruFan

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#3: Jun 20th 2013 at 8:13:50 AM

Also, that description needs to start off with the description, not with an Example as a Thesis.

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MikuruFan from Away Since: Nov, 2012
AmyGdala Since: Oct, 2012
#5: Jun 20th 2013 at 8:23:25 AM

This page looks like it has great potential. I support a rename.

Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#6: Jun 20th 2013 at 8:24:11 AM

Yeah, that's sort of what I meant when I said "it rambles." Sorry for being unclear. The connection to Omniscient Morality License occurred to me, but I didn't know exactly what the connection is.

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#7: Jun 20th 2013 at 8:31:57 AM

Did a quick fix: Chopped the Example As Thesis and split the sentence defining the trope into its own (opening) paragraph.

No time to do more on it right now...

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#8: Jun 23rd 2013 at 5:05:46 AM

Are we ready for a rename crowner?

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#9: Jun 23rd 2013 at 8:23:14 AM

Definitely needs one, but for the life of me I can't think of anything good.

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Spark9 Gentleman Troper! from Castle Wulfenbach Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#10: Jun 23rd 2013 at 2:02:42 PM

I'm not sure why this is YMMV; wouldn't it be an Audience Reaction?

This clearly has nothing to do with our 'myopia' line of snowclones, so I agree with renaming. In the spirit of brainstorming, let me offer Viewers Have More Information or Characters Cant Read The Script

edited 23rd Jun '13 2:02:56 PM by Spark9

Rhetorical, eh? ... Eight!
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#11: Jun 23rd 2013 at 2:04:43 PM

Yeah, I would shift the indexes.

One problem with this Audience Reaction is that it lends itself poorly to concrete examples.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
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#13: Jun 24th 2013 at 1:04:28 AM

I kind of think this doesn't need examples at all.

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#14: Jun 24th 2013 at 1:07:07 AM

It will need something though. A list of affected tropes, for one.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
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#15: Jun 24th 2013 at 6:01:21 AM

GAH! I got holler posts confused...disregard the clock. The requested crowner is hooked.

edited 24th Jun '13 6:03:24 AM by Willbyr

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#16: Jun 24th 2013 at 6:03:31 AM

Thanks for the response, mistake nonwithstanding, though.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#17: Jul 11th 2013 at 3:11:47 AM

Votes bump. We are at 10-0 for a rename.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
DamianYerrick Since: Jan, 2001
#18: Jul 11th 2013 at 5:50:47 AM

I read the trope description, and it reminded me of an effect that I've been told appears in some Real Life people with autism. It's called a theory of mind deficit or mind-blindness. Look at the Sally-Anne test, developed by the Baron-Cohen who didn't play that character from Fake Kazakhstan, and tell me it isn't this trope. Therefore, I propose Viewer Mind Blindness because it uses a pre-existing term. Excuse me for a moment while I add Sally-Anne to the article's real-life section.

edited 11th Jul '13 6:12:41 AM by DamianYerrick

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#19: Jul 11th 2013 at 5:54:16 AM

While that name seems to be "accurate", the fact that I had to look it up on Wikipedia isn't a sign that it will be easy to understand.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
DamianYerrick Since: Jan, 2001
#20: Jul 11th 2013 at 6:29:12 AM

Item #2 in the lead of this page uses Wuxia as an example of an accurate yet opaque title. Might it too need a rename once a slot opens?

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#21: Jul 11th 2013 at 6:33:24 AM

No, because that's a genre that's named exactly that.

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Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#22: Jul 11th 2013 at 7:31:38 AM

Wuxia is a term most people with any more familiarity with the subject than "knowing Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon exists" know, and there really isn't an English equivalent.

Anyhoo, onto this subject... Viewer Based Morality? Viewer Morality License?

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#23: Jul 11th 2013 at 7:35:28 AM

This isn't just about morality, though.

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