Not Thriving: Viewer Myopia get usage counts
Deadlock Clock: 27th Jun 2013 11:59:00 PM

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1 Larkmarn20th Jun 2013 08:01:33 AM , Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
First off: I like this trope. A lot. The basic trope seems to be "the viewer holds characters on-screen accountable for information that's only available to the viewer." That's a great Audience Reaction trope, and yet the page isn't thriving. Four examples. Two of the four examples are just plain Genre Blindness (most of the Horror movie one is Genre Blindness, and all of the Juno one, since Juno actually does see pretty much everything the audience does, the difference being she's a 16 year old girl). Nine wicks, only five of which are actually articles.

I think part of the reason is the tremendously generic name. Viewer Myopia really could mean almost any kind of myopic response, and certainly sounds synonymous to Fan Myopia. I think a rename and then some crosswicking could do this a lot of good, as well as clean up the description (since it sort of rambles to make its point).
It's something that happens a lot or sounds like it should happen a lot. The name is poor too. I support renaming.

The trope is the "historian's mistake" as applied to works of fiction. More information is in the description for Artistic License – History. The description potholes the knowledge of future events to Omniscient Morality License, though that's In-Universe examples.

edited 20th Jun '13 8:13:36 AM by MikuruFan

3 SeptimusHeap20th Jun 2013 08:13:50 AM from Zurich, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
Another Wizard boy
Also, that description needs to start off with the description, not with an Example as a Thesis.
Yeah, the Example as a Thesis threw me off a little.
This page looks like it has great potential. I support a rename.
6 Larkmarn20th Jun 2013 08:24:11 AM , Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
Yeah, that's sort of what I meant when I said "it rambles." Sorry for being unclear. The connection to Omniscient Morality License occurred to me, but I didn't know exactly what the connection is.
7 Madrugada20th Jun 2013 08:31:57 AM , Relationship Status: In season
Zzzzzzzzzz
Did a quick fix: Chopped the Example As Thesis and split the sentence defining the trope into its own (opening) paragraph.

No time to do more on it right now...
...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
8 SeptimusHeap23rd Jun 2013 05:05:46 AM from Zurich, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
Another Wizard boy
Are we ready for a rename crowner?
9 Larkmarn23rd Jun 2013 08:23:14 AM , Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
Definitely needs one, but for the life of me I can't think of anything good.
10 Spark923rd Jun 2013 02:02:42 PM from Castle Wulfenbach , Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Gentleman Troper!
I'm not sure why this is YMMV; wouldn't it be an Audience Reaction?

This clearly has nothing to do with our 'myopia' line of snowclones, so I agree with renaming. In the spirit of brainstorming, let me offer Viewers Have More Information or Characters Cant Read The Script

edited 23rd Jun '13 2:02:56 PM by Spark9

Special trousers. Very heroic.
11 SeptimusHeap23rd Jun 2013 02:04:43 PM from Zurich, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
Another Wizard boy
Yeah, I would shift the indexes.

One problem with this Audience Reaction is that it lends itself poorly to concrete examples.
12 AnotherDuck23rd Jun 2013 02:08:06 PM from Stockholm , Relationship Status: In season
No, the other one.
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13 nrjxll24th Jun 2013 01:04:28 AM , Relationship Status: Not war
I kind of think this doesn't need examples at all.
14 SeptimusHeap24th Jun 2013 01:07:07 AM from Zurich, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
Another Wizard boy
It will need something though. A list of affected tropes, for one.
15 Willbyr24th Jun 2013 06:01:21 AM from North Little Rock, AR , Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
With Mod Hat On
GAH! I got holler posts confused...disregard the clock. The requested crowner is hooked.

edited 24th Jun '13 6:03:24 AM by Willbyr

16 SeptimusHeap24th Jun 2013 06:03:31 AM from Zurich, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
Another Wizard boy
Thanks for the response, mistake nonwithstanding, though.
17 SeptimusHeap11th Jul 2013 03:11:47 AM from Zurich, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
Another Wizard boy
Votes bump. We are at 10-0 for a rename.
I read the trope description, and it reminded me of an effect that I've been told appears in some Real Life people with autism. It's called a theory of mind deficit or mind-blindness. Look at the Sally-Anne test, developed by the Baron-Cohen who didn't play that character from Fake Kazakhstan, and tell me it isn't this trope. Therefore, I propose Viewer Mind Blindness because it uses a pre-existing term. Excuse me for a moment while I add Sally-Anne to the article's real-life section.

edited 11th Jul '13 6:12:41 AM by DamianYerrick

19 SeptimusHeap11th Jul 2013 05:54:16 AM from Zurich, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
Another Wizard boy
While that name seems to be "accurate", the fact that I had to look it up on Wikipedia isn't a sign that it will be easy to understand.
Item #2 in the lead of this page uses Wuxia as an example of an accurate yet opaque title. Might it too need a rename once a slot opens?
21 SeptimusHeap11th Jul 2013 06:33:24 AM from Zurich, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
Another Wizard boy
No, because that's a genre that's named exactly that.
22 Larkmarn11th Jul 2013 07:31:38 AM , Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
Wuxia is a term most people with any more familiarity with the subject than "knowing Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon exists" know, and there really isn't an English equivalent.

Anyhoo, onto this subject... Viewer Based Morality? Viewer Morality License?
23 SeptimusHeap11th Jul 2013 07:35:28 AM from Zurich, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
Another Wizard boy
This isn't just about morality, though.
24 Noaqiyeum11th Jul 2013 03:50:08 PM from a thought-experiment gone horribly wrong , Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
25 StarSword11th Jul 2013 04:04:35 PM from somewhere in deep space , Relationship Status: In denial

Alternative Titles: Viewer Myopia
14th Jul '13 9:06:19 AM
Vote up names you like, vote down names you don't. Whether or not the title will actually be changed is determined with a different kind of crowner (the Single Proposition crowner). This one just collects and ranks alternative titles.
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