Needs Help: In Soviet Russia Trope Mocks You

Uses "Trope" as a placeholder. Proposing name swap with Russian Reversal.

Of course. The current name is ridiculous.

Besides, we don't mock tropes, so the reversal here makes no sense.

It also needs some example purging. Most of them are simply tropers making Russian Reversal jokes in reference to a work, rather than examples of works that use Russian Reversal jokes.

We may also want to expand the name to include other "transpositional puns" (as the page helpfully informs me that this type of joke is called) that don't involve Soviet Russia. There's already a handful of those types of examples on the page, but neither the trope name more the description seem to allow for them.

edited 24th May '13 6:31:43 PM by NativeJovian

Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.

Maybe move the user-made jokes to a Just for Fun page.

I am not sure. Russian Reversal to me doesn't immediately sound like the figure of speech we are talking about here.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman

Russian Reversal is the established term for this kind of joke; just check google or That Other Wiki.

Rhetorical, eh? ... Eight!

Eek. I would agree with a split between Just for Fun and trope, but now that I see it's a meme, I would not mind just ditching the troper jokes.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman

I don't really see a significant difference between much of Just for Fun and memes anyway.

I agree with swapping to Russian Reversal, and possibly moving troper jokes to Just for Fun. I also don't see a great loss in cutting them entirely, but if people do like them, sure. Just not on the main wiki.

I think transpositional puns may be included as Tropes Are Not Narrow. I'm not sure a redefinition is even be needed. Transpositional Pun as redirect?

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Russian Reversal is a pre-existing term for jokes of the type "In America, you [noun] [verb]. In Soviet Russia, [noun] [verb]s you!", but that's just a subtype of the more general "transpositional pun" joke. It might be subtrope-worthy, but looking through the examples on the page, only a handful are actually correct examples of the Russian version. The rest are either transpositional puns that are not Russian Reversals, or else jokes about works, rather than jokes from works.

Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.

Last I looked the basic transpositional pun was already covered by ISRTMY (hence why the trope is indexed under Older Than Television, since Cole Porter pulled one off in the title song of Anything Goes).

Suggestion: Restrict to In Universe Examples Only.

edited 25th May '13 8:40:49 AM by StarSword

Yes.

Rhetorical, eh? ... Eight!

Agreed.

...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.

Giving my Stamp of Approval too.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman

Not according to the current title or description. Which is why I'm suggesting we fix that.

Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.

You and I must be interpreting the description differently then. I think I see the confusion: the basic transpositional pun is mentioned offhand in the first paragraph, then the description focuses mostly on the "compare country A to country B" subtype.

to broadening description, as several of the examples are the transpositional pun rather than the comparison.

Also expanding the definition/description/what-have-you to be more inclusive of similar jokes

edited 26th May '13 1:05:38 PM by Pig_catapult

I support this.

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Quick history: this name was originally used for the Hollywood Atlas page on Russia, but literally everyone used it for the Russian Reversal. I'm not sure, but I think we may have already had a Russian Reversal page even before the Hollywood Atlas page was created.

Crowner's hooked.

I added "Do nothing" so there's something to vote against.

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Added In Universe Examples Only to the list of options.

Bump for votes.

We ready to call this? There's near unanimous support for rename to Russian Reversal and In-Universe examples only.

edited 6th Jun '13 10:04:30 PM by Rethkir

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The Just for Fun page should be "In Soviet Russian, wiki trope you!"

If you remove the jokes, I'm not sure how many examples you would have left.