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Misused (new crowner 8/9/13): Fail O Suckyname get usage counts

But are we keeping the "self-assigned" part of the definition? Because the new name doesn't imply that, so it's just going to keep getting misused in that way.
 27 Another Duck, Fri, 3rd May '13 4:46:14 PM from Stockholm Relationship Status: Chocolate!
No, the other one.
I think words like moniker and alias suggest it's not a birth name, which would help a bit, considering if you get a new name that isn't what your parents gave you, it's far more likely you took it yourself, or at the very least, accepted it. It is what you call yourself.
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Whenever I think of "Fail O'Suckyname", I always think of this one Baccano! character named Jacuzzi Splot. It's not Complaining About Characters You Dont Like because as far as I can tell most people like him (he's one of the most morally upright characters in the series), but his name is ridiculous by consensus. I mean, just try saying it out loud a few times. It is the opposite of Awesome McCoolname, and I feel like it would be an in justice to not have an opposite trope for it to cover the Jacuzzi Splots of the world.

edited 3rd May '13 9:58:35 PM by Pig_catapult

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 29 Another Duck, Sat, 4th May '13 1:38:46 AM from Stockholm Relationship Status: Chocolate!
No, the other one.
Honestly, I think Awesome McCoolname suffers from exactly the same as this one: Names someone, somewhere, once thought sounded cool. It's essentially a Sugar Wiki page.

edited 4th May '13 1:39:15 AM by AnotherDuck

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 30 Spark 9, Sat, 4th May '13 8:34:44 AM from Castle Wulfenbach Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
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Yep. It should probably be either in-universe or Just for Fun.
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 31 X Fllo, Sat, 4th May '13 5:53:34 PM Relationship Status: Every rose has its thorn
[up] I'd support that. It's definitely a trope when it gets acknowledged in-universe. Just for Fun would be ideal for real life examples. There are some priceless examples on the page that deserve to be listed and I'd be sorry to see them go, but there are too many now to be relevant for the main page (its sub-page).

 32 Another Duck, Sat, 4th May '13 6:29:22 PM from Stockholm Relationship Status: Chocolate!
No, the other one.
[down]It's nom de plume.

edited 4th May '13 7:50:10 PM by AnotherDuck

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 33 Morning Star 1337, Sat, 4th May '13 6:37:17 PM from the Pacific Timezone Relationship Status: Brony
We should also change the laconic description to say something along the liens of "someone picks a name only they think is good or someone picked the lousy name themselves'' also a name change to incorporate "nickname" "alias" or "non de plume" into the title would help curb the confusion.

edited 4th May '13 6:37:36 PM by MorningStar1337

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 34 Septimus Heap, Sun, 5th May '13 6:27:14 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
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I would definitively restrict this to In-Universe Examples Only.

 35 Larkmarn, Wed, 22nd May '13 11:10:08 AM Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
Bump.

 36 X Fllo, Tue, 28th May '13 9:12:40 PM Relationship Status: Every rose has its thorn
Should/Can we discuss Awesome Mccoolname? They are closely related, but I don't know whether TRS rules allow that.

My ideas based on this thread are following:
  1. Merge Unfortunate Name and Fail O Sucky Name for names that are somehow viewed sucky in-universe when either characters themselves don't like their name or somebody else ridicules the name and so on.

  2. Come up with a new name for a trope that is currently Fail O Sucky Name — somebody changes their name to a sucky one on purpose. This is in-universe by default. Suggested titles were Mocked Moniker and Atrocious Alias. They're good as it's clear that they are not birth names. However, is it clear enough that they were chosen by the people themselves? I think moniker can be also a nickname given by somebody else. "Alias" seems to be more appropriate. At least in my native language, the word "alias" has connotations for being chosen by the person who identifies with it. (I would have to check a definition in a reliable English dictionary to tell if it's the case in English also.)

  3. Make Awesome McCoolname in-universe and list only examples from media. But I would allow to have Just for Fun page for real life. The examples gathered there are too funny to just delete it, but it kind of steers away from this wiki's mission.

edited 28th May '13 9:22:59 PM by XFllo

 37 Another Duck, Wed, 29th May '13 4:32:56 AM from Stockholm Relationship Status: Chocolate!
No, the other one.
"somebody changes their name to a sucky one on purpose"

I think that's some unfortunate wording. It implies it's sucky on purpose.
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 38 X Fllo, Wed, 29th May '13 1:16:58 PM Relationship Status: Every rose has its thorn
[up] What are you saying? That's the point of the trope, no? That a character willingly changes their name to a shitty one or chooses a shitty alias. Forgive me if some English language nuances escape me.

edited 29th May '13 1:17:22 PM by XFllo

 39 Larkmarn, Wed, 29th May '13 1:20:27 PM Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
Duck is saying that the phrasing makes it sound like the person is trying to make the name sucky. I thought the same thing.

Which isn't usually the case, they just didn't think it was sucky until later on.

edited 29th May '13 1:20:45 PM by Larkmarn

 40 Katsuhagi, Wed, 29th May '13 1:25:11 PM from New England
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I'm for Mocked Monicker since it seems fairly straightforward.

We could also put in the description that it falls under the umbrella of Failed Attempt at Drama or is similar to Impossibly Tacky Clothes in that in-universe there was an attempt to be cool that fell flat on its face.

Also I realize now that I had misused the trope myself so I agree with the rename.

edited 29th May '13 1:26:18 PM by Katsuhagi

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 41 Larkmarn, Wed, 29th May '13 1:52:19 PM Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
Mocked Moniker seems to have pretty solid backing.

I think the bigger question at this point is criteria for qualifying, whether it has to be mocked in-universe or what.

And then there's the question with that to do with the name Fail O'Suckyname. No one has really responded (that I saw, at least) to my suggestion that it be turned into a redirect to Unfortunate Name.

edited 29th May '13 1:53:28 PM by Larkmarn

 42 Katsuhagi, Wed, 29th May '13 2:01:35 PM from New England
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[up] I'd be for turning Fail O'Suckyname into an Unfortunate Name redirect. I think part of the confusion is that the O'Suckyname part (at least to me) implies family name rather than a self-chosen moniker.
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 43 Larkmarn, Wed, 29th May '13 4:51:43 PM Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
Most definitely.

 44 Another Duck, Wed, 29th May '13 4:54:11 PM from Stockholm Relationship Status: Chocolate!
No, the other one.
It has to be mocked in-universe. Otherwise it's an Audience Reaction.
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 45 Larkmarn, Wed, 29th May '13 7:21:03 PM Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
... but then the Whizzer wouldn't count. And That's Terrible.

 46 Another Duck, Wed, 29th May '13 8:03:24 PM from Stockholm Relationship Status: Chocolate!
No, the other one.
Has that never been mocked in-story? If not, it's really an Unfortunate Name.

edited 29th May '13 8:03:57 PM by AnotherDuck

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 47 Katsuhagi, Thu, 30th May '13 9:00:15 AM from New England
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Whizzer's name has been mocked in story so it still counts. From the description on the page:

"even Spider-Man laughs at his name and pee-yellow costume"
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 48 Larkmarn, Thu, 30th May '13 10:39:07 AM Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
Oh good. That makes me happy.

 49 Larkmarn, Fri, 7th Jun '13 8:59:07 AM Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
So... are we agreed to do the things lined up in post 36?

 50 Spark 9, Fri, 7th Jun '13 9:11:52 PM from Castle Wulfenbach Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
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Alternative Titles: Fail O Suckynamerunoff
2nd Jan '14 7:43:31 AM
Vote up names you like, vote down names you don't. Whether or not the title will actually be changed is determined with a different kind of crowner (the Single Proposition crowner). This one just collects and ranks alternative titles.
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