Duplicate Trope: Ryu And Ken

^^ Niether of those emphasize the characters in question fighting in the same manner.

I suppose that is neither here-nor-there, however, if the first one is what you want I vote to purge all non-gaming examples.

I don't think narrative ideas should be included in the trope for reasons already mentioned.

Because the "playing similarly" thing is a consequence of the trope, not the definition of the trope.

As far as purging non-gaming examples, I still think this can be a valid trope outside the context of video games. I can't think of any examples off the top of my head, but I find it difficult to believe that examples don't exist in a Fighting Series somewhere, for example.

In terms of videogames we've already established the gameplay trope as in a game with several character variations, at least two characters have similar movesets

in terms of non videogame examples if we want to keep them, I would limit it to having the same fighting style, which typically limits it to a Fighting Series that puts emphasis on who trained who and what special techniques people can use.

As in it has to be stated In Universe that their styles are remarkably similar if not the same, not just audience reaction. So Goku and Vegeta would not count, because even though they have some moves in common (as they do with everyone since the whole series is Flying Bricks with Chi powers) how they use it is totally different. Vegeta can't do Spirit Bomb or Kaioken - Goku doesnt have anything similar to Big Bang Attack. Vegeta is pragmatic and brutal, Goku fights clean.

But Domon and Master Asia from G Gundam, both having a Finger attack and being trained by The School of the Undefeated of the East and being master and student do have fighting styles much more similar to each other than any other character in the series.

Even the Gundam Wing example doesnt fit because even though they both have Zero System and Transforming Mechs, the Wing Gundam has an entirely different skill set than the Tallgeese, and the Wing Zero has an entirely different skill set than the Epyon.

edited 10th May '13 4:54:44 PM by acrobox

Bump.

Looking over the thread, there appears too be a consensus to rename this to Moveset Clone, and to remove examples that don't fit that (which includes almost all non-video-game examples).

Some people have supported other names, so I'd play safe and ask for a rename-and-restrict crowner.

Page Action crowner up and hollered. Feel free to add other options, of course.

edited 3rd Jun '13 11:14:05 AM by StarSword

Crowner's hooked.

Downvoting because I still say this involves more than just video game characters and movesets. Looks like I'm in the minority, though.

edited 4th Jun '13 4:39:34 PM by NativeJovian

You can always take that to YKTTW.

the majority seems to be in accord. moving ahead?

A few more votes wouldn't hurt.

Plus it's only two days old.

Calling this one for the suggested re-working.

Well, I created a Sandbox.Ryu And Ken for the description rework. Aside from the usual rewrite thing, we'll need to esthablish whether this trope is meant to be game-specific.

Also made a crowner, but it has only one option - more will need adding.

Crowner's hooked.

I think that while technically it could apply outside games, I'm not sure that wouldn't just be an avenue for misuse, much like many Real Life sections are.

A potential non-game use I could see is such as in animation, where moveset data is copied and used for different characters. However, that wouldn't really apply to something like an MMD dance video, as I'm not sure choreographied dance is included in the trope. It may technically fit, but I don't think it follows the spirit of the trope.

edited 12th Jun '13 6:27:17 AM by AnotherDuck

I think an outside game example of this trope would be where two characters have similar or contrasting fighting style's. Like Goku and Vegeta, for instance. Obviously this would mostly only apply to action shows.

Similar and contrasting, at most. And similar in this case is mostly the same. But I'm still doubtful.

It can apply, but it really doesnt apply to Goku and Vegeta

Yeah, Goku and Vegeta's fighting style is... exactly nothing alike.

Goku and Krillin in Dragonball would count. They didn't have Divergent Character Evolution until the Saiyan Saga when Goku got Kaioken and Spirit Bomb, and Krillin got Destructo Disk. But all throughout their child adventures they had mostly the same moveset because they were both trained by Master Roshi.

Anakin and Obiwan could count aslo, again being a case of the latter training the former. Even though Anakin is more offensive, and Obiwan is more defensive, their battle at the end of Revenge Of The Sith devolved into a Mirror Match because they knew each other so well.

No they don't. Obi-wan favors the defensive Soresu style, Anakin is mostly offense and uses Djem So. Knowing each others' moves =/= Moveset Clone unless they actively use each others' moves.

edited 16th Jun '13 10:40:34 PM by StarSword