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Rethkir A Trusted Friend in Science and Ponies from the gap between dimensions Since: Mar, 2013
#51: Aug 6th 2013 at 11:56:57 PM

As of now, all of the examples seem to be solely about food, as you'd imagine. However, a few of them are about hunger strikes:


Literature
  • In "The Fall of the Shell", Brudoer goes on a hunger strike until his family smuggles a note to his cell begging him to keep his strength up.

Live-Action TV

  • Malcolm In The Middle: Francis led his classmates in the military school into a hunger strike when their TV is confiscated. When the Commander was about to give in, he instead realized the hunger drove Francis unable to be good enough of a negotiator to turn down a ridiculous counter-proposition.
  • In Brazilian show "A Grande Família", there was one episode where Agostinho Carrara took a test for a Government job. When his family refused to believe he didn't buy an answer sheet, he went into a hunger strike that lasted until the results came and revealed he failed, thus proving his innocence. Arguably, he could have solved it earlier if he told them he only didn't buy because he and the man selling answer sheets didn't agree on a price.
    • In a later episode, his mother-in-law went into a hunger strike for unrelated reasons and it seemed people forgot Agostinho's previous one.

Western Animation

  • Goof Troop: Goofy and Pete were Wrongfully Accused and Goofy entered himself and Pete (against Pete's will) into a hunger strike.
  • The Simpsons: Inspired by Cesar Chavez's hunger strike, Homer Simpson of all people started one to expose the local baseball team's plan to move to Albuquerque. He chained himself next to the skeleton of someone who went into a hunger strike for a bathroom-related protest.

edited 7th Aug '13 7:12:43 PM by Rethkir

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#52: Aug 7th 2013 at 12:00:34 AM

OK, I just propose to rename this and redefine it to Hunger Strike and split off a trope about being afraid of being poisoned. Any agreements/disagreements/opinions?

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crazysamaritan NaNo 4328 / 50,000 from Lupin III Since: Apr, 2010
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#53: Aug 7th 2013 at 12:14:50 AM

"rejection of hospitality as a protest against having been kidnapped." is not a Hunger Strike or fear of poison.

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#54: Aug 7th 2013 at 12:21:26 AM

That sounds like material for another trope.

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Rethkir A Trusted Friend in Science and Ponies from the gap between dimensions Since: Mar, 2013
#55: Aug 7th 2013 at 12:51:55 AM

Sounds like this is going towards a split with "rejection of hospitality as a protest against having been kidnapped", which is not limited to food, and Hunger Strike. I think both tropes would need more examples. Perhaps they should go through YKTTW.

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#57: Aug 7th 2013 at 2:03:27 PM

[up][up]Sounds good

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MikuruFan from Away Since: Nov, 2012
#58: Aug 26th 2013 at 11:32:35 AM

Bump. Defiant Captive is proposed to be split in the TRS thread for Badass Damsel, though it has little support. I think this trope will become Defiant Captive anyway if work goes through.

edited 26th Aug '13 11:32:58 AM by MikuruFan

Rethkir A Trusted Friend in Science and Ponies from the gap between dimensions Since: Mar, 2013
#59: Aug 26th 2013 at 3:32:21 PM

So, do we need a crowner for this?

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MikuruFan from Away Since: Nov, 2012
#60: Aug 26th 2013 at 4:12:09 PM

I'm seeing a lot of different opinions earlier in the discussion. I just don't know what's being proposed.

NativeJovian Jupiterian Local from Orlando, FL Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#61: Aug 26th 2013 at 4:49:27 PM

The current proposal is to split I'm Not Hungry into two tropes: one about refusing hospitality as a form of protest against being held captive (typically in a Gilded Cage), the other is Hunger Strike, refusing to eat as a form of nonviolent political protest.

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MikuruFan from Away Since: Nov, 2012
#62: Aug 26th 2013 at 4:52:26 PM

That's the most recent proposal, and I support that.

There were earlier proposals however.

ChaoticNovelist Since: Jun, 2010
#63: Aug 28th 2013 at 8:02:18 AM

[up] I would also support those proposals.

Rethkir A Trusted Friend in Science and Ponies from the gap between dimensions Since: Mar, 2013
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MikuruFan from Away Since: Nov, 2012
#66: Sep 6th 2013 at 8:59:52 PM

Split has 10 supports and no opposes.

mikurufan from Away Since: Nov, 2012
#67: Oct 19th 2013 at 2:22:25 PM

It's likely that the trope Defiant Captive will be created from the Badass Damsel TRS. That should work as the second trope in the crowner.

ChaoticNovelist Since: Jun, 2010
#68: Oct 22nd 2013 at 7:12:36 AM

The Badass Damsel Crowner has concluded and Defiant Captive will be created.

mikurufan from Away Since: Nov, 2012
#69: Oct 22nd 2013 at 10:58:21 AM

Weird, it's already created.

So, make that the second trope, I guess. The definitions match.

Crowner has 18 support and 0 oppose. Let's call this.

Willbyr Hi (Y2K) Relationship Status: With my statistically significant other
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#70: Oct 22nd 2013 at 1:02:23 PM

Calling for the split.

crazysamaritan NaNo 4328 / 50,000 from Lupin III Since: Apr, 2010
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#71: Oct 22nd 2013 at 1:23:32 PM

Based on the voting, I don't think we need to make a name crowner for Hunger Strike. The only thing left is making that trope, moving examples to the correct page, and a wick cleanup.

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MikuruFan from Away Since: Nov, 2012
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#73: Oct 22nd 2013 at 11:45:08 PM

The crowner already states Hunger Strike, so I'd be fine with that reading.

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#74: Nov 26th 2013 at 12:48:34 AM

At any rate, I think we'll need some description for both tropes. I have no idea how to write them at the moment.

Anyhow, do we agree on turning I'm Not Hungry into a disambig between the two tropes in the crowner.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
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