Why does it matter where a guy gets stabbed after being dragged offscreen?

Wyldchld, thinking on it now, you should really start documenting some of your posts and put them on your trope page or something.

edited 21st Jun '18 5:58:23 PM by Soble

Well the fact that the seer could have killed him in one blow but rather took the more painful option says something about either Salem or the Seer Grimm.

The more painful approach...is two blows? Seems more like just an assurance he’s dead by stabbing him in the spine and brain at the same time. If it got wrote up on the recap, it should probably look like “Lionheart is unceremoniously executed by Salem’s jellyfish”.

Only thing I can think that means is that Salem is a sadist, which really isn't that surprising considering how generic she is, or that the Seer is somewhat sentient.

Though considering the whole thing probably would have took like 30 seconds to show, I can't imagine either being particularly relevant or important if they didn't bother to show it.

Though in hindsight, painful would be would be strangulation, or stabbing at the brain through the eye. Or going for the throat.

edited 21st Jun '18 6:18:29 PM by RedRob

Repeated strikes to the gut to cause fatal yet slow bleeding is apparently one of the more painful ways to go. Although how much does a Grimm understand about human anatomy?

And now I have the mental image of a Seer Grimm looking through an anatomy book with its murder tentacles.

Yeah, but following it up with a strike to the head kind of defeats the point of that.

Plus didn't the Seer only strike him in the gut once?

I honestly have no idea what Shaoken's trying to say with his last comment.

You said strangulation or brain strike via the eye was a painful way to go, I was musing that there were more painful alternatives but then got sidetracked wondering if the Seer Grimm understood human anatomy enough to make the distinction.

The thing is presented as an extension of Salem, not as its own separate individual. If you want to WMG about it, at least keep it off the recap pages. And unless the specific process of how it kills Leo ends up being retconned into a magic technique to keep humans alive and in agony, or turn humans into zombies or Grimm or something, there's no need to specify how it kills him, or how it might be some form of torture. Just leave it at Leo getting killed by it and move on.

edited 21st Jun '18 9:00:02 PM by Delphisage

I disagree with the last part. If Word of God details how it killed him then that is information worthy enough of going on a recap page.

Okay, but no need to extrapolate further from that. Just say what the commentarily literally said.

Just because it's said by the creators to be a thing that happened doesn't make that thing important. A creator could say that every single character in their work is bisexual, but if that never actually comes up in the story and the characters stick to only being attracted to one specific gender, then it's irrelevant. Like I said, unless further developments in the story MAKE something as trivial as "a guy got killed by getting stabbed in the head and back" actually important, irrelevant, obsessive stuff that should stick to the fan wiki, and not to a page that is supposed to be cataloging the events of the episode/season.

edited 21st Jun '18 11:12:01 PM by Delphisage

At best, it should go under the trivia page, if it fits a trope.

It is an event that happened in the episode, hence it should be catalogued. You are not making a good case as to why it shouldn't be on the page when there is no drawback to it. I'll also point out that other series recap pages have had minor details from Word of God put onto those pages, and how a character Killed Offscreen died is relevant on a recap page for the episode in which they died.

edited 21st Jun '18 11:57:54 PM by Shaoken

It’s really a personal gripe of how it feels silly to phrase things like “Leo is dragged offscreen by the octopus and killed by it stabbing him in the head and back” instead of just “Leo is dragged offscreen by the octopus and killed”.

Mmmh, let's see

"the best volume yet" ...... I mean.... ok.... even the emoji movie received some "positive" reviews, so I'm not surprised that someone has made a positive review among mixed-to-negatives ones but... the best?

Chapter 1

• Haven accademy is between sessions when Ruby (ah, now the MC is revelant?) arrive explaining the lack of students... so this is why there isn't anyone? Wasn't it because Leo sent away everyone? And between session there's only Leo alone in the school? Not even a janitor cleaning up?
• I usually don't notice much the difference in lightning in media but considering i could tell apart the diffrent stories without any confusion, they did a good job (Ohi, when CRWBY does something right I have to acnowledge that, and Volume 5 wasn't complete garbage for me. It was ery bad, but not full shit)
• "10 more animator than in the past" - Makes sense, animating people standing/sitting and talking is hard, especially if they're Italians and talk with hands

Chapter 2

• "Pilot Boi" is something more than a "background character"... Ruby is a background character
• "Much effort in Sienna Khan despite knowing she wouldn't last long" Much effort is always appreciated, even if is on minor things... if only they used the same effort in the writing...

3

• "Ghira's speech has been cut down" Ok, but you should've cut down the rest of the "more useless" talking scenes...but then you would've have only 5 chapters worth of material instead of 8
• Isn't Golaem simulator used to animate rock- creatures? (btw, ok, good you put effort for the crwods)
• "Vernal has no last time" - thanks for this vital information on a character whom we already know and care so much about
• "Separate the differences"... why?

4 (still four? let's be faster)

• Ooh, they dragged poor Clifford Chapin into this, didn't they?
• Well, the bandit fight didn't seem so hard to need different departments, but it was a good fight and I'm not an animator, so I don't care as long as the result is good

5

• Is it a problem if I don't remember what the Shallow Sea is? I mean, did they talk about this or is the sea near menagery with the shopping stuff?

6

• "Bird transformation is a big deal because most people cannot do it" first show me two similar semblances besides Blake's and Sun's and then we can understand why it's something most cannot do... also, did they explain why it's something so terrible that is comparable to Nina Tucker's transformation?
• "The cooking scene if interesting, not only for the individual animation of the food, but the fact that every part of the pipeline was handled only by women" (sounds sexist) "It wasn’t planned, it just sort of happened that way because Rooster Teeth’s team is more well-balanced than most." - What do you mean "more well balanced"? Also, it was interesting? It didn't even look impressive from a technical standpoint and it didn't add anything except show runtime

7

• So they needed the arm-wrestilng scene to not make Yang detatchinghis arm from Mercury look like an Ass Pull ... ok. (also, it was the closest we got as a fight scene in chapter 5-9...)
• Is the cooking stuff so important and impressive? Is team RWBY supposed to participate in Masterchef?
• The rest is interesting stuff

8

• "Be sure to let the writers know if you’d like to see their idea for the three-headed fowl Grimm, the Duck Duck Goose, be a real thing." YES! As long as I could see a grim (which I generally like desing-wise) it's fine, and this one follows Rule of Cool/Funny enough! And call it "Donald Duffy"
• Sometimes, in color balancing, light blue eyes look silver.... so Jaune has hidden silver eyes? Sorry Ruby, you've lost the only thing that could've made you somehow important to the plot
• "The team talks about this episode setting up the all-out action that is to come in the closing episodes" Well... this is were the "much effort" could've been useful, unless it went this way
  • A: Ok guys, we're gonna have all in the same room
  • B: Isn't then hard to animate the singular fights and make them coherent?
  • A: Who cares about the fight? We're gonna have them talk and sometimes exchanging a blow.
  • C: And don't care about the disappearance of the others, as long as Leo is on the stairs
  • B: But aren't Emerald and Mercury much stronger than every individual member of team RWBY-JNR? I mean, they've worfed Coco and the guy with a complex name.
  • A: Just nerf them! Power scaling is ovverated! Quality is ovverated!

9

• This episode is crap and doesn't deserve any comment

10

• Yes, Ghira's and fennec (or corsac? Let's go with fennec) blows exchange made me think about All Might vs Noumu... because I thought of an example of a similar fight that clearly showed well the strenght of each punch... while the one in WBY just doesn't...
• "It’s clear that the writing team takes the show’s racism/discrimination allegory very seriously." It takes it seriously, but making a decent job with it is asking too much, right?
• "If you look closely, Leo’s necktie tassels are missing in one shot, a continuity error that’s called by the very folks who are used to calling out such things" I guess these folks went on an holiday while they were making the final battle

11

• Moon rotating, this could be interesting, I'm curious about what it means
• I missed the foreshadowing, but I'm glad RWBY still uses the foreshadowing, though I'd rather have a Writing by the Seat of Your Pants style of writing if it would make the story good
• "They pay special attention to the musical themes that bounce between the characters in focus, as well as their specific powers and abilities." Good, but why on this secondary fact and not on more obvious and important details? It's like building a house making sure it has nice and well crafted curtains, but making crooked walls! Also, they payed attention of their specific powers and abilities, I guess making sure they are nerfed (looking at you Emerald and Mercury) or that they forget about them when the plot calls for it (Emerald's body slam or Weiss's reliance on summon)

12

• Not even CRWBY found something interesting to talk about the episode

13

• "Tracking the epic fight scenes is “one of the most challenging things” the effects team has ever done." - I think the writer has put an additional "s" at the end of "scene", or that accidentally spelled "epic" before it
• "The Maiden fight sequence was worked on by every department for weeks".. this make me angry, because it means they know it takes a lot to make a good fight scene (even Monty took weeks to animate the best ones). Then, why did they ends writing the volume halfway through it's run? You should first write all the volume and then begin working on it, otherwise it's natural that you get poor fight scenes (among other stuff), and remember that fight scenes are the main attraction of the show! I mean, you can make a good show with only talking, but the talking scenes should be well written and interesting (and it's clear that these writers are not Tarantino), and still, RWBY is an action show, so action is really important, definetely more important than Raven's pillows! And I love when they put attention on details, but if the main things are bad, good details can only makes things look worse... ok, now I'm calm

14

• "Expect to find out more about the mysterious lamp in Volume 6" Seems obvious, I only hope not through a 5 minutes Info Dump. Please, CRWBY, sometimes show us instead of telling us the plot!

edited 22nd Jun '18 10:09:34 AM by fishysaur

I'm not a fan of mixing trivia into an entry as if it's something that happened on screen. The in-universe tropes generally document what happens in-universe. Trivia is for everything we learn about the show that doesn't make it into the final cut or for things that happen around the show.

That said, in this case, Gory Discretion Shot is probably the place to mention it, as it would explain what the 'gore' is and why the 'discretion' occurred.

Something along the lines of: 'To kill Leo, the Seer Grimm drags Leo off-screen. The Seer Grimm stabs him in the back and then through his head, but the audience is only aware of the sound of him being stabbed twice while he begs for forgiveness with his dying breath.'

And make it clear in the edit reason that the information on how Leo dies is in the V5 DVD Commentary.

What do you mean? I've been around for a few years, but I have to admit that I've never used/read troper pages so I don't really know what they're for.

troper pages are pages about tropers, if you click on a name of a troper that commented on this forum, you can see his/her page, the same goes for yours, which at the moment is blank

You can edit any troper page (not just yours) like any other page. I think you can do it to leave some information about yourself or just for fun

edited 22nd Jun '18 2:59:28 PM by fishysaur

So I've been wondering, what kind of effects due you think Ozpin's nature as an "immortal", for simplicty's sake, has effected him? I mean, there's been some subtext Ozpin isn't to be trusted, but is that just how Oz was, or is it due to the multiple souls he has fused with over his long "life", so to say?

How he reincarnates isn't exactly specified, in that, it's not specified on who or who not he can reincarnate into, or if he has any control over it. For all we know, if Oscar dies, Ozpin could end reincarnating into Hazel of all people.

That. Search your screenname in the search bar and you should be able to find, or make a page for yourself. Fill it with whatever you want.

. I was watching Haven's Fate yesterday and I got to the scene where Yang broke down after Raven left, and I'd thought back to something you mentioned 50-80 pages ago about the symbolism of her grabbing the relic, at the same time accepting her mother's departure, or something like that. I was like, "rats, I wish I could remember what that person said." It hit me that you usually write these short/medium essays on RWBY but I didn't know if you actually document them somewhere.

I mean, either that or make a tumblr blog with thoughts and analysises of RWBY. But don't let the short essays you write get lost to the annals of history in this thread. A troper page wouldn't be a bad place for it. I use mine to keep track of posts I like here, quotes from TV shows, and sometimes the occasional Youtube wisdom that I want to keep for the heck of it.

He seems remarkably not insane

edited 22nd Jun '18 3:30:52 PM by Soble

I mean, is his less admirable traits just him, or did he end up getting them from another soul he fused with? How much of him is actually him, and how much of him comes from the people he fused with?

Or to be dramatic, Who exactly is Ozpin?

I think they're trying to make him shady, but at the moment it's very hard to believe because either his evil acts aren't that evil (again, the bird power which we have already discussed) or because everyone who says he's not to be trusted is on the evil side

The only "good" approach is Hazel, since he's probably the only villain who doesn't see himself as evil, but just him yelling "you killed my sister" without any flashback that shows how it went, it's hard to believe, though I think we're gonna see Hazel's story in future chapter... I hope we're gonna see it instead of having it told to us (even a "talk with images" like Yang's story is fine, not the best, but far better than what we got in this last volume)

Maybe they're gonna explore Ozpin's character, I don't know... the problem is we don't have an exact Idea of where the story is going besides "fightin Salem" but we have so many unresolved plotlines and misteries... M&K have a lot of work to do, I hope they manage to wrap it up

Also, I think at least half of the volume is still in Mistral, since Weiss has to meet Winter, but I don't know how they could make something exciting (i.e. some action) out of it

edited 22nd Jun '18 3:45:57 PM by fishysaur

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No doubt his less desirable traits from multiple people, but I doubt we're meant to actually disassociate or meet any of the people who gave him his less desirable traits. All of the past lives just blend into a single Ozpin. At best I'd wager the old man from the story is the best glimpse we'll get at Ozpin's "original" personality.

Another way to look at it - there is no "Ozpin." Anything that he was has been submerged beneath the countless lives he's reincarnated into.

You know according to the AMA post they had, Ozpin isn't the name of the "Entity", its the name of the incarnation before Oscar. And since Ozpin told Oscar he went through what Oscar did in Volume 4, its more reasonable to think that when an incarnation dies, the next one hears the immediate predecessor until it fades away via merging.

tl;dr, the entity isn't Ozpin, thats just the name of the host before Oscar. Entity is nameless.