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RhymeBeat Bird mom from Eastern Standard Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
Bird mom
#1: Mar 13th 2013 at 12:25:54 PM

So always good to add an image to a visual trope. Extra Credits just mentioned Kingdom Hearts and when talking about the series they added a nice little chart that perfectly represents this trope. Not only is it a massive diagram but all the characters have some kind of visual connection to eachother in design.

The Crystal Caverns A bird's gotta sing.
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#2: Mar 13th 2013 at 1:42:53 PM

Good, but a) Sora and Xehanort are apparently unrelated there and b) it's rather small.

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willthiswork Since: Oct, 2012
#4: Mar 13th 2013 at 2:24:21 PM

Maybe if you cropped it and made it bigger so we only see the Xehanort stuff?

edited 13th Mar '13 2:24:31 PM by willthiswork

RhymeBeat Bird mom from Eastern Standard Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
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#5: Mar 13th 2013 at 2:42:36 PM

True. The Xenahort stuff is sufficient on it's own.

"Complex and dirty's the way that your making us feel right now/ Just tell us how Square?"

The Crystal Caverns A bird's gotta sing.
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#6: Mar 13th 2013 at 2:45:39 PM

I like that (also because it does away with Sora's hideous clothing style).

Although the line at the bottom could use removal.

edited 13th Mar '13 2:46:01 PM by SeptimusHeap

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Telcontar In uffish thought from England Since: Feb, 2012
Ghilz Perpetually Confused from Yeeted at Relativistic Velocities Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#8: Mar 13th 2013 at 2:48:35 PM

Not a big fan... It doesn't really explain how they are related.

Like is he their ancestors? Their dad?

edited 13th Mar '13 2:49:05 PM by Ghilz

RhymeBeat Bird mom from Eastern Standard Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
Bird mom
#9: Mar 13th 2013 at 2:51:23 PM

It's Kingdom Hearts. Their clones/ shells/ Nobodies/ Heartless.

edited 13th Mar '13 2:52:41 PM by RhymeBeat

The Crystal Caverns A bird's gotta sing.
Ghilz Perpetually Confused from Yeeted at Relativistic Velocities Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#10: Mar 13th 2013 at 2:52:25 PM

The fuck is a nobody / heartless?

And if they are clones, why do they look different?

edited 13th Mar '13 2:52:35 PM by Ghilz

RhymeBeat Bird mom from Eastern Standard Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
Bird mom
#11: Mar 13th 2013 at 2:53:47 PM

Maybe I can add labels to make it clearer? Stating the links might be spoilers in places though.

The Crystal Caverns A bird's gotta sing.
Elbruno Mummy Woomy from Chile: Not As Dry As Space! Since: Nov, 2011 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
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#12: Mar 13th 2013 at 2:54:07 PM

I think it works. The point of the picture is to show that all those different characters are somehow related with eachother; whatever they are family, ancestors, nododies, somebodies, mythbusters, or something else is irrelevant.

edited 13th Mar '13 2:54:54 PM by Elbruno

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Ghilz Perpetually Confused from Yeeted at Relativistic Velocities Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#13: Mar 13th 2013 at 2:55:08 PM

Coz the graph makes no sense to me. I've never played the game, so I wonder why some people look different ethnicity their their "parent" and why one dude is his own grandson (He appears listed twice).

RhymeBeat Bird mom from Eastern Standard Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
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#14: Mar 13th 2013 at 2:56:41 PM

And there are visual cues, Even Master Xehanort (the largest one and the source which looks most different) has a similar villain get up to the later ones.

The Crystal Caverns A bird's gotta sing.
Elbruno Mummy Woomy from Chile: Not As Dry As Space! Since: Nov, 2011 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
Mummy Woomy
#15: Mar 13th 2013 at 2:58:09 PM

How about we simplify matters captioning this "It Makes Sense in Context... Sort of."?

edited 13th Mar '13 2:59:19 PM by Elbruno

"Yeah, it's a shame. Here we are in an underground cave with all these lasers, and instead of having a rave we're using it for evil."
Telcontar In uffish thought from England Since: Feb, 2012
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#16: Mar 13th 2013 at 2:58:25 PM

I don't see why it matters how they are related to each other, who is cloned from who, which person is a monkey's uncle, etc.. The graph shows people, and the people are connected, and it's fairly easy to sus out that they're all related to each other as shown by the arrows despite differing looks.

That was the amazing part. Things just keep going.
Ghilz Perpetually Confused from Yeeted at Relativistic Velocities Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#17: Mar 13th 2013 at 2:59:04 PM

[up][up] That's just lampshading the Fan Myopia.

Just label the damn arrows. Remove any that's a spoiler.

[up]Then why is one dude listed twice, and the arrows one directional.

edited 13th Mar '13 2:59:48 PM by Ghilz

Elbruno Mummy Woomy from Chile: Not As Dry As Space! Since: Nov, 2011 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
Mummy Woomy
#18: Mar 13th 2013 at 3:06:31 PM

[up]That'd be like labeling the arrows in Love Dodecahedron. Point is: All those guys are related, as the arrows in the picture suggest. How they are related to each other is irrelevant.

And if anything, listing the same character twice with a question mark adds to the ridiculous convoluteness and is plain funny. Besides, it's not like he can't be just erased away.

"Yeah, it's a shame. Here we are in an underground cave with all these lasers, and instead of having a rave we're using it for evil."
RhymeBeat Bird mom from Eastern Standard Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
Bird mom
#19: Mar 13th 2013 at 3:08:48 PM

Usually it's only one directional if it's a reciprocated relationship. Siblings and spouses. It's more like a parent/child relationship if you were forced to put it in a non Mind Screw context.

And the thing with the two Heartless! "Ansems" is that the latter is Riku (bishie with the bat sword) possessed by that Ansem the question mark is "does that actually count as another character?". That's first game territory, ten years ago and over the cutoff date which is why it's not an issue.

edited 13th Mar '13 3:12:20 PM by RhymeBeat

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willthiswork Since: Oct, 2012
#20: Mar 13th 2013 at 3:56:07 PM

@ 12. IAWTC, the exact relationship does no really need to be spelled out to givea visual representation of the trope. I am not very familer with the source material, but it looks like a family tree to me.

lexicon Since: May, 2012
#21: Mar 13th 2013 at 5:10:00 PM

If you have to add labels to make it clearer then the picture by it's self isn't telling us enough. A bunch of arrows pointing in various places isn't saying "related" to me. Just throwing a suggestion out there. I think a Harry Potter family tree of the Black family might be better with the aunts, uncles and cousins though.

edited 13th Mar '13 5:13:51 PM by lexicon

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#23: Mar 13th 2013 at 5:24:27 PM

[up][up] What's that? Game of Thrones or something?

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Noaqiyeum Trans Siberian Anarchestra (it/they) from the gentle and welcoming dark (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
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#24: Mar 13th 2013 at 5:34:22 PM

It's Once Upon a Time, as it says.

edited 13th Mar '13 5:34:39 PM by Noaqiyeum

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#25: Mar 13th 2013 at 5:41:50 PM

That last one...how's it going to look at wiki size?


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