things you are tired of telling non-gamers

Roger Ebert:i was a fool for mentioning video games.

http://blogs.suntimes.com/ebert/2010/07/okay_kids_play_on_my_lawn.html

you know after reading this i kinda felt sad for him, by his perspective all he did was stating his opinion. yet many people started harassing him.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/columns/extra-punctuation/7473-Videogames-as-Art

yeah, i know. but that is part of why it irritates me,i feel that the SMT series does not get the recognition it deserves.

edited 23rd Feb '13 10:13:22 AM by SaintDeltora

It is perfectly understandable why the first few didn't come out here though.

I think you can safely say that Pokemon popularized mon games.

edited 23rd Feb '13 10:20:16 AM by Zendervai

what Roger Ebert said is like saying all rock and metal is noise.

Heh, lighten up guy. We've seen the warning, and if this derails back into a strictly complaint thread you (or anyone who knows that the place is bugged O_O) can let the place know there needs to be some sort of explanation and/or story behind each answer. The first warning always gets you on edge :P

I guess that means I should explain my ones, huh? Well, the "PS 4 is not kicking off the 8th generation" thing is due to the average gamer's complete dismissal of Nintendo's consoles as gaming consoles (When really, they're the only current/former gen leader who produce video game consoles, games and accessories solely) which spreads to the young male non-gamer demographic who at least follow video games. As such, the Wii U is barely mainstream news, and a lot of people have gone frothing at the mouth about the PS 4 being the "future of gaming" when the "future" they talk about has started already with the Wii U.

This leads right into my next point: "The Wii does count as a video game console". An Xbox fan friend of mine once insisted that the Wii didn't count as a 7th gen console because it had motion controls. I mentioned the Kinect, he said that was an attachment while the Wii's controls were built-in. I mentioned a bunch of first party titles like Zelda and Donkey Kong, and that's where he faltered. It irritates me that some people see the Wii as "not counting" as a games console because it has motion controls.

And my last offering, "Not everything made by Japan is a quirky, fanservicey and/or melodramatic wankfest", which really explains itself. This one is perpetuated by my entire year, including Xbox Fan.

edited 23rd Feb '13 10:28:01 AM by MrMallard

it popularized it,yes, but it was not the creator. and by this point i think this fact should already be something that most gamers versed in rpgs would know.

some of my friends know enough about japanese products to avoid that stereotype.

but then again Anime has been extremely popular around here since Saint Seiya.

why did that stereotype started in america anyways? and how you think they could solve it?

edited 23rd Feb '13 10:34:48 AM by SaintDeltora

The stereotype began during the second big anime boom in the 90s. Toonami started up and all that, and all these series began to get dubbed - such as Inu Yasha, Gundam (let's face it, Gundam always has its fair share of Drama Bombs), Love Hina (I think...?) among others. With the anime came the games: Japanese games got a rare taste of mainstream popularity in the early 2000s, something which has waned to a degree.

A lot of popular japanese games such as Final Fantasy and Kingdom Hearts are melodramatic, quirky Widget Series'. As such, pretty much everything else that comes from Japan gets lumped in with that crowd.

(there's nothing neccessarily deplorable about those games, but they have created a negative mainstream image for today's video game content from Japan)

how you think they could solve it?

that explains somethings, Saint Seiya was the only "big anime boon" brazil received,and ever since then anime has been commonly Dubbed and translated but nothing reached the popularity of SS.

Western games are starting to slide in the same direction actually. Have you played any recent Bioware games? Spec Ops kind of does it too, it's the new thing with storytelling, just not as over-the-top. Most video-game writers aren't very good at avoiding it.

Titles like Record of Agarest War, Hyperdimension Neptunia and Mugen Souls didn't help.

edited 23rd Feb '13 11:06:54 AM by Zendervai

none of these are very popular though.

Yes, but they've gotten somewhat notorious. I know several people who aren't really gamers but they know them as those "pervy Japanese games".

The closest I've come to this situation is whenever I ask my mom for a game for a certain console and I keep having to specify what console it's for after I've already told her.

Other than that, nothing, really; most of my friends are gamers.

a few years ago, my Ex-gf gifted me a copy of 1000 games to play before you die, and it had an entry for one of the Tiger Woods games which had a mode for playing simultaneously against real players as they played them on TV. That christmas, I tried to tell about all the fascinating things that were happening in videogames to this elderly couple who've been friends with my family since long before I was born.

"This one game, Tiger Woods, has this mode where-"

"You beat someone with a baseball bat?"

>stunned silence<

And that really, really pisses me off, that to a lot of people, all videogames, not just the shooters or hack-n-slashes or what have you, are violent and ugly things. And it really pisses me off that they're considered as such when movies have done worse (such as the torture scene in Taken) and videogames have done better (Journey).

And what really pisses me off, more than that, is that that mindset is not being stopped by so-called "artistic" games like Dm C was supposed to be, instead getting strippers and abortion via assault rifle.

I understand that the violent aspect of videogames are the most visible, that they're what is marketed to teens and as a result it's what's most visible to parents.

I'm more concerned that they seemed to think Tiger Woods is a baseball player.

edited 23rd Feb '13 1:17:16 PM by 0dd1

While the context of said spoiler is important, it's also rather important to note that the writer wrote it that way. As a writer you can write things to happen however you want, and it feels like they wrote the game in such a bad way.

Spoiler'd Dm C ranting I forgot to add to that list a "just barely off screen but you totally know that's what's happening" bj, and both the strippers and said bj are in the opening cutscene.

Yeah. I'mma shut up now. I've said my bit and my main point is that the most visible part of videogames in the public mind is the violence and sex and crude behavior, and it doesn't help when games which purport to have high quality storytelling rely on shock-value to generate either attention or controversy.

Honestly, with crap like that, I don't blame people for having low opinions of video games.

But you can apply the same logic to any form of media, including "higher" forms such as literature.

Yeah, it's not like videogames are particularly special where that's concerned.

Or cringed.

I think the reasons why video games are generally looked down upon when other media can have the exact same plot and be praised are: 1. Games are interactive, while other mediums aren't, and 2. Games are relatively new in the media timeline, and some unfortunately influential people hate ANYTHING new.

More of a non-adventure gamer thing than a non-gamer thing, but I find it annoying that there are so many people who dismiss the entire point-and-click adventure genre based on a few badly designed games.

Also related, I find it annoying that people think assume everything that Sierra produced is bad based on the above.

edited 18th Jan '14 5:01:17 PM by supergod

I really think that people like that should sit down and play Day Of The Tentacle. The best adventure game, in my opinion.

Regarding the discussion earlier on this page about certain games strengthening the medium's more negative stereotypes rather than counteracting them, I'm reminded of this advertisment for Dead Space 2. Herein lies the problem—for every wonderful, nuanced, thought-provoking game such as Bio Shock, Pikmin, Mass Effect, and so forth, there's a bit of marketing like this that seems to play directly to the most unnerving people on Xbox Live. Now, I'm not saying Dead Space 2 is a bad game (never played it); it's more about what this particular ad is saying. People with a bias against video games (or against anything, really) often consider their opinion confirmed after finding a piece of supporting evidence, and it's not hard to find such evidence in ads like these.

EA's marketing department at its fucking finest.

...Pikmin?

If you don't think Pikmin is nuanced or requires you to think or even just makes you think period, you've likely not played it.