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 1 StarSword, Mon, 11th Feb '13 8:49:47 AM from somewhere in deep space Relationship Status: In denial
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Company Town has a really bizarre description and a nonindicative name; seems to be some sort of industry slang. We would like to repurpose it for this YKTTW on its historical meaning, i.e. the company owns the town and everything in it.
 2 Septimus Heap, Mon, 11th Feb '13 8:54:48 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
The name choice is absurd and the examples have no context. I don't think we would lose much from such a change.

 3 Noaqiyeum, Mon, 11th Feb '13 8:58:38 AM from across the gulf of space Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
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+1 support.
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 4 Another Duck, Mon, 11th Feb '13 9:15:10 AM from Stockholm Relationship Status: Chocolate!
No, the other one.
I really don't get the name. The trope seems to be about works set in show business, which does sound like a legitimate genre or trope.

Considering how not thriving the page is, I think a rename is in order, and not only to make place for something else.
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 5 Nohbody, Mon, 11th Feb '13 9:37:44 AM from Somewhere in Dixie Relationship Status: Mu
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Like I said in another thread (new YKTTW fixing thread, I think), as-is Company Town is a non-starter in regards to being a proper trope.

Movieville for a rename, perhaps? Not really all that enthusiastic about the suggestion, though. Just something that popped into my head as a possible option.
Thanks for starting this TRS StarSword. smile

As for renaming the current, a few ideas: Behind The Scenes Setting, Set Behind The Set, Studio Setting.

 7 Nohbody, Mon, 11th Feb '13 10:03:30 AM from Somewhere in Dixie Relationship Status: Mu
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^ Of those, I like the first the best. With the second one, the first "set" could be misunderstood to be a noun instead of a verb. The third trips up on more than one definition for "studio" (a studio also being a type of apartment), I think.

edited 11th Feb '13 10:03:55 AM by Nohbody

 8 Another Duck, Mon, 11th Feb '13 10:08:28 AM from Stockholm Relationship Status: Chocolate!
No, the other one.
I prefer Studio Setting. It's the only one that sounds like a trope name.
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 9 Septimus Heap, Mon, 11th Feb '13 10:14:20 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
Studio Setting is the most concise and tells me immediately what the trope is about.

 10 StarSword, Mon, 11th Feb '13 11:16:13 AM from somewhere in deep space Relationship Status: In denial
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My first choice, Set Behind The Set. Second choice, Studio Setting.
 11 StarSword, Mon, 11th Feb '13 1:06:09 PM from somewhere in deep space Relationship Status: In denial
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Since we seem to have a consensus, I'm making the single proposition crowner to formalize it here.

edited 11th Feb '13 1:06:54 PM by StarSword

 12 Septimus Heap, Mon, 11th Feb '13 1:14:49 PM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
A crowner-making tip: Put the "Should we ...?" into the crowner option and the problem "This trope is about <X>, but the trope name is better suited for the YKTTW <Y>" into the crowner header.

 13 StarSword, Mon, 11th Feb '13 1:22:56 PM from somewhere in deep space Relationship Status: In denial
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[up]Thanks for that.
 14 Septimus Heap, Mon, 11th Feb '13 1:29:03 PM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
Also, while it isn't a problem in this case (It was just a cosmetic change) - editing a crowner option after it has got votes is only OK if the option's meaning wasn't changed.

 15 StarSword, Mon, 11th Feb '13 1:50:58 PM from somewhere in deep space Relationship Status: In denial
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Actually the vote was me. See what you mean, though.
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Note that the name itself refers to an old practice where a company would build a town next to their mine or factory or whatever, and they'd literally own the town where their workers lived. Some went so far as to issue their own money (company scrip) which was required to be used in the company store—the only store in town.

(The line "I owe my soul to the company store", from the old song "Sixteen Tons", is a reference to this.)

The term has been broadened over the years to refer to towns that are primarily dependent on one major employer, or one particular industry (Detroit, MI, has been called a "company town" for the auto industry). But it's never ever been about what this trope describes, except so insofar as what is being described is a movie-industry version of the broader concept.

eta: the tl;dr version: horrible, misleading name should be changed. :)

edited 11th Feb '13 2:01:42 PM by Xtifr

"Existential Despair" is an oxymoron.
[up] Covered in the YKTTW.

 18 StarSword, Wed, 13th Feb '13 1:34:49 PM from somewhere in deep space Relationship Status: In denial
SF-81A Black Knight
Another black mark on Company Town I just noticed: there's no YKTTW archive hooked to the discussion page. Now, I don't know how old the "new tropes go thru YKTTW" rule is, but the earliest edit is from November 2010.

And, uh, can we get the crowner hooked? I've hollered twice now.
World's Toughest Milkman
[up]Eddie overruled the "all tropes must go through YKTTW" thing. It's not a thing any more. But not going through YKTTW is still generally a pretty bad sign.

Anyway, we seem to have 100% agreement about renaming this so far....
"Existential Despair" is an oxymoron.
 20 StarSword, Fri, 22nd Feb '13 10:55:58 AM from somewhere in deep space Relationship Status: In denial
SF-81A Black Knight
Ba-da-bump.
World's Toughest Milkman
Consensus looks pretty clear, though more votes would be nice.
"Existential Despair" is an oxymoron.
What number of votes would be preferable before renaming it?

World's Toughest Milkman
Depends. With as one-sided a vote as this is, we probably have enough to call it, if you can attract the attention of a mod.
"Existential Despair" is an oxymoron.
 24 shimaspawn, Mon, 25th Feb '13 12:24:30 AM from Here and Now Relationship Status: In your bunk
Go forth and rename!
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 25 Nohbody, Mon, 25th Feb '13 1:48:56 AM from Somewhere in Dixie Relationship Status: Mu
Just zis guy
Important question that I hasn't really been answered: What to do with the Zero Context Examples (which is pretty much all of them} of the new Set Behind the Scenes (pre-crowner Company Town)? I know ZCE policy is to comment them out, but they're the only examples on the page.

Or should the move to the new page be made anyway to free up "Company Town" for the rework, and address Set Behind the Scenes elsewhere? (ZCE thread in Long Term Projects, maybe?).

edited 25th Feb '13 1:49:31 AM by Nohbody

Alternative Titles: Company Town
14th Jan '13 9:24:12 PM
Vote up names you like, vote down names you don't. Whether or not the name will actually be changed is determined with a different kind of Crowner (the Single Proposition crowner). This one just collects and ranks alternative names.
At issue:
Company Town trope renaming, see this YKKTW and this TRS for details.
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