Needs Help: Company Town get usage counts

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1 StarSword11th Feb 2013 08:49:47 AM from somewhere in deep space , Relationship Status: In denial
SF-81A Black Knight
Company Town has a really bizarre description and a nonindicative name; seems to be some sort of industry slang. We would like to repurpose it for this YKTTW on its historical meaning, i.e. the company owns the town and everything in it.
2 SeptimusHeap11th Feb 2013 08:54:48 AM from Valle di Muggio, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
Tadpole
The name choice is absurd and the examples have no context. I don't think we would lose much from such a change.
3 Noaqiyeum11th Feb 2013 08:58:38 AM from Kcymaerxthaere , Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The it-thingy
+1 support.
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4 AnotherDuck11th Feb 2013 09:15:10 AM from Stockholm , Relationship Status: In season
No, the other one.
I really don't get the name. The trope seems to be about works set in show business, which does sound like a legitimate genre or trope.

Considering how not thriving the page is, I think a rename is in order, and not only to make place for something else.
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5 Nohbody11th Feb 2013 09:37:44 AM from Somewhere in Dixie , Relationship Status: Mu
Just zis guy
Like I said in another thread (new YKTTW fixing thread, I think), as-is Company Town is a non-starter in regards to being a proper trope.

Movieville for a rename, perhaps? Not really all that enthusiastic about the suggestion, though. Just something that popped into my head as a possible option.
Thanks for starting this TRS StarSword. smile

As for renaming the current, a few ideas: Behind The Scenes Setting, Set Behind The Set, Studio Setting.
7 Nohbody11th Feb 2013 10:03:30 AM from Somewhere in Dixie , Relationship Status: Mu
Just zis guy
^ Of those, I like the first the best. With the second one, the first "set" could be misunderstood to be a noun instead of a verb. The third trips up on more than one definition for "studio" (a studio also being a type of apartment), I think.

edited 11th Feb '13 10:03:55 AM by Nohbody

8 AnotherDuck11th Feb 2013 10:08:28 AM from Stockholm , Relationship Status: In season
No, the other one.
I prefer Studio Setting. It's the only one that sounds like a trope name.
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9 SeptimusHeap11th Feb 2013 10:14:20 AM from Valle di Muggio, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
Tadpole
Studio Setting is the most concise and tells me immediately what the trope is about.
10 StarSword11th Feb 2013 11:16:13 AM from somewhere in deep space , Relationship Status: In denial
SF-81A Black Knight
My first choice, Set Behind The Set. Second choice, Studio Setting.
11 StarSword11th Feb 2013 01:06:09 PM from somewhere in deep space , Relationship Status: In denial
SF-81A Black Knight
Since we seem to have a consensus, I'm making the single proposition crowner to formalize it here.

edited 11th Feb '13 1:06:54 PM by StarSword

12 SeptimusHeap11th Feb 2013 01:14:49 PM from Valle di Muggio, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
Tadpole
A crowner-making tip: Put the "Should we ...?" into the crowner option and the problem "This trope is about <X>, but the trope name is better suited for the YKTTW <Y>" into the crowner header.
13 StarSword11th Feb 2013 01:22:56 PM from somewhere in deep space , Relationship Status: In denial
SF-81A Black Knight
[up]Thanks for that.
14 SeptimusHeap11th Feb 2013 01:29:03 PM from Valle di Muggio, Switzerland , Relationship Status: Mu
Tadpole
Also, while it isn't a problem in this case (It was just a cosmetic change) - editing a crowner option after it has got votes is only OK if the option's meaning wasn't changed.
15 StarSword11th Feb 2013 01:50:58 PM from somewhere in deep space , Relationship Status: In denial
SF-81A Black Knight
Actually the vote was me. See what you mean, though.
16 Xtifr11th Feb 2013 01:58:46 PM , Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
World's Toughest Milkman
Note that the name itself refers to an old practice where a company would build a town next to their mine or factory or whatever, and they'd literally own the town where their workers lived. Some went so far as to issue their own money (company scrip) which was required to be used in the company store—the only store in town.

(The line "I owe my soul to the company store", from the old song "Sixteen Tons", is a reference to this.)

The term has been broadened over the years to refer to towns that are primarily dependent on one major employer, or one particular industry (Detroit, MI, has been called a "company town" for the auto industry). But it's never ever been about what this trope describes, except so insofar as what is being described is a movie-industry version of the broader concept.

eta: the tl;dr version: horrible, misleading name should be changed. :)

edited 11th Feb '13 2:01:42 PM by Xtifr

"Existential Despair" is an oxymoron.
[up] Covered in the YKTTW.
18 StarSword13th Feb 2013 01:34:49 PM from somewhere in deep space , Relationship Status: In denial
SF-81A Black Knight
Another black mark on Company Town I just noticed: there's no YKTTW archive hooked to the discussion page. Now, I don't know how old the "new tropes go thru YKTTW" rule is, but the earliest edit is from November 2010.

And, uh, can we get the crowner hooked? I've hollered twice now.
19 Xtifr13th Feb 2013 06:20:38 PM , Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
World's Toughest Milkman
[up]Eddie overruled the "all tropes must go through YKTTW" thing. It's not a thing any more. But not going through YKTTW is still generally a pretty bad sign.

Anyway, we seem to have 100% agreement about renaming this so far....
"Existential Despair" is an oxymoron.
20 StarSword22nd Feb 2013 10:55:58 AM from somewhere in deep space , Relationship Status: In denial
SF-81A Black Knight
Ba-da-bump.
21 Xtifr22nd Feb 2013 06:42:28 PM , Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
World's Toughest Milkman
Consensus looks pretty clear, though more votes would be nice.
"Existential Despair" is an oxymoron.
What number of votes would be preferable before renaming it?
23 Xtifr24th Feb 2013 11:45:59 PM , Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
World's Toughest Milkman
Depends. With as one-sided a vote as this is, we probably have enough to call it, if you can attract the attention of a mod.
"Existential Despair" is an oxymoron.
24 shimaspawn25th Feb 2013 12:24:30 AM from Here and Now , Relationship Status: In your bunk
Go forth and rename!
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25 Nohbody25th Feb 2013 01:48:56 AM from Somewhere in Dixie , Relationship Status: Mu
Just zis guy
Important question that I hasn't really been answered: What to do with the Zero Context Examples (which is pretty much all of them} of the new Set Behind the Scenes (pre-crowner Company Town)? I know ZCE policy is to comment them out, but they're the only examples on the page.

Or should the move to the new page be made anyway to free up "Company Town" for the rework, and address Set Behind the Scenes elsewhere? (ZCE thread in Long Term Projects, maybe?).

edited 25th Feb '13 1:49:31 AM by Nohbody

Alternative Titles: Company Town
14th Jan '13 9:24:12 PM
Vote up names you like, vote down names you don't. Whether or not the title will actually be changed is determined with a different kind of crowner (the Single Proposition crowner). This one just collects and ranks alternative titles.
At issue:
Company Town trope renaming, see this YKKTW and this TRS for details.

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